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Bunjevac
Fri, 13th October 2006, 23:04:56
We have all probably all heard about Vlad Dracul (Vlad the Impaler), and the inspiration for Dracula, and his brutality (the most famous being when he ordered a forest cut down and 30 000 turkish prisoners impaled on stakes). Although he was a brutal man he is probably one of the few great people in the sphere of justice. Although some people he punished were innocent his treatment of peasants and nobles as equals when they broke the law make him one of the few true heroes of justice.

WisdomSeeker
Fri, 13th October 2006, 23:10:43
He was just alright.

Same length of sticks for everybody to be impaled upon.:)

nah,im kidding ofc.

any source regarding this? never heard it before.

Bunjevac
Fri, 13th October 2006, 23:17:52
My source is a documentary I saw about him and also several biographies I've read about him. They stated that his equal punishment of all frightened nobles who feared him, especially since many of them wanted him out of power and their were many plots against him by nobles in Wallachian lands.

Knez_Nenad_Of_Serbia
Sat, 14th October 2006, 00:15:38
His tactics may have been cruel but he kept the Turks at bay. He was also part of a secret order (Stefan Lazerevic was also in it) dedicated to combating Islam in Europe.

KASTRIOTI
Sat, 14th October 2006, 17:51:56
This looks like a very objective site on the life of Vlad:

Vlad the Impaler (http://www.vladtheimpaler.com/)

Enjoy! :D

..Jovan..
Sat, 14th October 2006, 18:02:42
lol its funny how he is described as dracula.

KASTRIOTI
Sat, 14th October 2006, 18:11:48
lol its funny how he is described as dracula.
Well as far as I know Dracula in Romanian means "son of the dragon/devil". The -a in the end of the word Dracul means exactly "son of.."

However, since there have been many movies about him I think everybody thinks of him as Dracula the Vampire.

A crazy thought just poped in my head: Imagine if Vlad, Hunyadi and Scanderbeg (all of which actually held up the Ottoman expansion in Europe) would have joined forces (since they lived during the same period)?! Just a thought.......:D

Knez_Nenad_Of_Serbia
Sat, 14th October 2006, 18:36:58
A crazy thought just poped in my head: Imagine if Vlad, Hunyadi and Scanderbeg (all of which actually held up the Ottoman expansion in Europe) would have joined forces (since they lived during the same period)?! Just a thought.

Actually, something like that did exist. It was called the Order of the Dragon (though it existed a bit earlier). It included:

* Sigismund of Luxembourg, King of Hungary
* Stefan Lazarević of Serbia
* King Alfonso of Aragon and Naples
* King Ladislaus II of Poland
* Grand Prince Vitautas of Lithuania
* Duke Ernst of Austria
* Christopher III, Duke of Bavaria and King of Denmark
* Pipo of Ozora

It was meant to comabt Islam in Europe. Also, Hyunadi is recognized my many in Serbia as a hero becuase after Belgrade was incorpoated into the Austo-Hungarian empire, the sultan attacked Belgrade with immense force. Hyunadi defended Belgrade with his troops and Serbian troops. You thought is good but I also believe that people from all over the Balkans should have formed a joint rebellion and co-ordinated their attacks together rather than separately.

..Jovan..
Sat, 14th October 2006, 21:04:39
This is from the website that Kastrioti put up:

Vlad the Impaler wasn't a "real" vampire, but he probably caused more rivers of blood to flow than any other tyrant in the history of the world.
anyone care to explain to me what they mean, was there anything bad he did? Excuse my ignorance on the subject but i don't know much about this subject and what like to know more.

KASTRIOTI
Sat, 14th October 2006, 21:52:08
This is from the website that Kastrioti put up:
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anyone care to explain to me what they mean, was there anything bad he did? Excuse my ignorance on the subject but i don't know much about this subject and what like to know more.
Jovan, Vlad III was known for impaling his victims using woden spikes. At point in time he has been reported to have impaled over 30,000 people. This is why they refer to him as causing "rivers of blood".

..Jovan..
Sat, 14th October 2006, 22:22:34
Jovan, Vlad III was known for impaling his victims using woden spikes. At point in time he has been reported to have impaled over 30,000 people. This is why they refer to him as causing "rivers of blood".

Oh i see thank you for clearing that up for me :victory:

Bunjevac
Sun, 15th October 2006, 02:23:54
He was called a vampire, or a similar name, before he even became any type of ruler. He recieved that name because he supposedly had the ability to attract bats by whistling at night. One of the names he had was King of Bats when he was a live due to this ability.

KASTRIOTI
Sun, 15th October 2006, 12:53:08
He was called a vampire, or a similar name, before he even became any type of ruler. He recieved that name because he supposedly had the ability to attract bats by whistling at night. One of the names he had was King of Bats when he was a live due to this ability.
Well this is new!!! I have never heard of this. First of all in Romanian the word for vampire is "vampir" and for bat is "liliac". So I don't think any of this is literally true. It could be part of legends which, I must say, is the first time I hear of.

Indeed even before his reign he was known as Dracul since his father, Vlad II was part of the Order of the Dragon (order of the Dracul). Eventually his son, Vlad III became known as Dracul-a (the son of the dragon/devil) becuase of his fetish of impaling people on spikes.

Bunjevac
Mon, 16th October 2006, 06:57:41
He wasn't called that by Romanians. Vampire, from what I've heard, is of serb.hungarian origin.

..Jovan..
Mon, 16th October 2006, 08:29:22
He wasn't called that by Romanians. Vampire, from what I've heard, is of serb.hungarian origin.
could you show a source please

Alalzia
Mon, 16th October 2006, 09:35:59
His title was Vlad Teppes the 2nd or the 3rd, i believe he is a balkan hero like strahinia , digenis akritas and the bulgarian guy who killed turks with the horn of the goat.
He succesfuly defended his country over the hordes of the turks , impaling 30.000 soldiers was very smart, now if you look at it from humanitarian position turks always had the option to not attack Wallachia.
Nor sparing the nobility is also cool , considering the special atmosphere of the era the lesser the nobles the lesser the trouble , centralization isn't always that bad.

If you want to read about vampires try Elisabeth Bathory of Hungary (actually from the house of Siebenburgen Transylvania).

Balozi
Mon, 16th October 2006, 15:10:42
impaling 30.000 soldiers was very smart, now if you look at it from humanitarian position turks always had the option to not attack Wallachia
:D i like the way you put it :D