Growing Islamic Population

[tsunami]

These people really tried hard, and have been checking many Islamic websites and tried to refute all of them. I feel sorry for them, since they invested so much time and effort in making this website and Islam is still fastest growing religion on the planet.

I cant really follow all this stuff you are challenging each other, but Islam maybe the fastest growing religion in the world as it targets all the third-world countries in the world with the highest birth-rates in the world and the highest poverty in the world, most of these people go down to the first one(converter) that appears.

But still, Christianity is no1 with a billion believers difference, and if we are to check the status of these Christians then am sorry but we are talking of more than 90% of the current economic output.

So, you might be growing fast, but guess who's feeding all these people!

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic, and if you need sources for the above claims, just say so.

[Amin]

but Islam maybe the fastest growing religion in the world as it targets all the third-world countries in the world with the highest birth-rates in the world and the highest poverty in the world, most of these people go down to the first one(converter) that appears.

3rd world countries?:?


“Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people...” (Hillary Rodham Clinton, Los Angeles Times).

“Moslems are the world’s fastest-growing group...” (The Population Reference Bureau, USA Today).

“....Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country.” (Geraldine Baum; Newsday Religion Writer, Newsday).

“Islam, the fastest-growing religion in the United States...” (Ari L. Goldman, New York Times).




Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world CAIRO (CNN) ...The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years...


50,000 French Accepted Islam In 50 Years: Intelligence - IOL


Islam ' fastest growing faith in Australia

...In the past 25 years, the Australian Muslim community has significantly expanded. According to the 2001census, the Muslim community constituted 281,578people, an increase of 40 percent since the 1996 census and an overall rise of 91 percent in the last decade. And these figures may be very conservative.Some recent estimates suggest Australian Muslims now number between 350,000-450,000....


Thousands Of British Elite Embrace Islam: Study The new study by Yahya (formerly Jonathan) Birt, son of Lord Birt, former director-general of the BBC, provides the first reliable data on the sensitive subject of the movement of Christians into Islam.

He uses a breakdown of the latest census figures to conclude that there are now 14,200 white reverts in Britain...


Islam spreading in Christian South Africa
CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - Black South Africans, drawn to
the Islam practised by African immigrants, are
converting in growing numbers and slowly changing the
face of religious affiliation in the overwhelmingly
Christian country.

"The numbers have gone up dramatically if you look at
the census figures ... there is massive growth
especially in the (black) townships," said Dr Shamil
Jeppie, an expert on Islamic history in Africa at the
University of Cape Town.

BIC News: Fastest and Misunderstood religion (http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam21.htm)


Islam 'will be dominant UK religion'
By ROBERT SMITH

ISLAM will be the most widely practised religion in
the UK by 2020, according to British and Muslim
magazine editor Sarah Joseph.

She says mosque attendance is expected to outstrip
church attendance over the next 16 years.

Estimates suggest that anywhere between 10,000 and
50,000 people a year convert to Islam in the UK, which
is currently home to approximately 1.8 million
Muslims.


Are these 3rd world countries tsunami? They are talking about converts here. Islam is fastest growing in the West.And yes Balozi, Christians are also converting. Funny you are saying it has to do with birth rate only, but you deny that when it comes to Albanian population in Kosovo.;)
Also you are forgetting that Christians,not Muslims, have missionary work in 3rd world countries. "Accept Jesus and we'll give you food".Even Pope abolished limbo cause poor people from those countries(who's newborns are dying)are converting to Islam(because Islam doesn't have original sin)

And who is feeding them tsunami?? Are you saying Christians are feeding Muslims? Who is stealing oil from Muslims? And btw who was feeding you and your family while your father was working in Saudi Arabia? It's not good to bite the hand which was feeding you.

[tsunami]

I am not really up for copy pasting in this moment for such trivial issues, or for who is feeding who, my mistake to bring this up.
But,
Anyhow, the Saudis never fed my family, the Greeks fed my family as all these Saudi, appeared in the 60's, before that they were Beduins.

It was Arxirodon a construction company from Rhodes that engaged in building an oasis in the middle of the desert even before the appearance of the Saudia Kingdom(it still is a Kingdom). And then it was Sete(Latsis) technical services that joined the party and became the company that built everything in saudi.

These 2 companies built within 10 years the city of Jeddah out of the dessert., the 2nd biggest fountain in the world inside the Kings palace is built by Sete(the same company my father worked for).

Sete is also the one that takes care of the Royal family as well, curators, yaghts, limo's, advice, financial mostly. Hospitals.

Go educate yourself in Saudi, and if you have any questions ask me, you might be amazed of the information i have gathered, especially about this country.


And i tell you from now, if there wasnt the American financial capital along with Greek foreign affairs as well as technology, this country would have never existed.

Do you know how much oil exists in the world?

Do you know, why Saudi was at least 3 months ago No1 producer(before Russia), because Saudi is the one that is being exploited the most, because Saudi is not in the aboriginal Bedhuins hands.








Did you ever think, that all the donations the Greeks and the Americans made, were for free?


I would be glad to share many stories with you but ufortunately am not feeling very confident in posting them in public, one thing is for sure, noone feeds my family than my family.

Work is work, for whoever that maybe, services cost, and scientists cost and my father is an eminent and respected one, who pays him is none of your business.

Is that what they teach you in Islamistan?To offend other people?To be hypocrites, to lie even for trivial matters(imagine what you do in more serious affairs).

To use 2 wrongs to make a right? Fallacious again.


Fact is that these Christians are in control even there, they are the ones exploiting the resources of that region, you know why?

Because they had the technology to offer to these people.


Also, look at your misleading statistics, Islam will become no1, Islam grows, bal and bla.

Well nowhere in the Western world, the Muslims are the majority, because they are always the latter ones, not the ones who were there.

Also, very few original Muslims, rather than Christian converts have pionnered, compared to their Christian challengers.


Anyhow, as i have said before, if we are to consider all the aspects of religion(the society, the people, the technology.)


We will come to the conclusion that Christian societies(countries) are far more advanced than their Islamic opponents, in terms of technology, civil rights, transportation, business ventures, health service, communication(s).


Are you really after an objective comparison of Islamic nations against Christians ones?


Cause if that is the case, then am already laughing....as Ws told U, "dont throw stones when you live in a glass house." I believe it was for the same question.


Oh and to answer your question, none is feeding anyone, but someone is providing the means to feed yourself, and since man appeared on earth, man has engaged in technology making from spear to the knife....oh but you Muslims are too humble to not use your hands.(this sentence for the fun of it).

And in our case technology, is patented and go and take a look at the patent holders(since you like looking for facts around the net).

Then come back here if you find more than 10% Muslims.

[tsunami]

His father got salary from Saudis. If they hate so much Muslims why they didn't stay and work in Greece?

This quote will haunt you, your logic is so obviously wrong, that i dont really know where to begin with, one thing is for sure for you:

SHAME!

For your info, my father was paid in US dollars, by the Sete Greek company who offers her technology and services in may parts of the world, including the Kings court in Saudi.

Services cost. And capital costs. My father an engineer pionneer was asked by some Greek people to offer his expertise to the King and his family, as a professional he accepted.


His effort and his brain feeds us, not the Muslims.


Grow up, you are humiliating yourself.

And who hates the Muslims?

They who is they?

I dont hate the Muslims, and neither does my family,anyway, its nice to see people getting obsessed with me, when you overcome your complexes, pay me a visit.

[..Jovan..]

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Well nowhere in the Western world, the Muslims are the majority, because they are always the latter ones, not the ones who were there.
He stated that it is the fastest growing religion in the West, not that they are the majority.


Also, look at your misleading statistics, Islam will become no1, Islam grows, bal and bla.
Type into Google 'fastest growing religion' (or any search engine) and tell me what results come out. Islam is the fastest growing religion and that is a fact.

Now look at these headlines so i fufill your uncertainty:

Rwanda Turns to Islam After Genocide



Islam to become 2nd largest faith practised in US - Times Of India

Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S - The Sacramento Bee

Islam spreading in Christian South Africa

America: Islam is finding a niche in the West

Refugees attracting Americans to Islam

BIC News: Fastest Growing and Misunderstood religion

Islam Luring More Latinos - Washington Post

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995


"Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons,
and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's
Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the
country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK,
USNEWS (7/20/98)

Why Some Believe Islam Is The Fastest Growing Religion:

ISLaAM is the fastest growing religion in the world. Because Islam is a complete way of life. It tells man about the purpose of his creation and existence, his ultimate destiny, his place among other creatures and more importantly, it provides him with guidance to lead a balanced and purposeful life which will enable him to avoid the Hell-fire and be rewarded with a place in Paradise in the life after death. Simply Islaam is to "Obey Allah" (Allah is the Name of the Only One True God). Islaam is a verb in Arabic (a doing word). The one who does Islaam is called a Muslim. (Allah calls us "Muslims" in His Speech of Qur'ân).

The Arabic word Islaam means voluntary surrender to the will of Allaah and obedience to His commands. Allaah is an Arabic word, the proper name of God. Muslims prefer to use Allaah rather than God.



Useful Article:
CNN: Islam Is The World's Fastest Growing Religion (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/)

[Balozi]

i think some of you muslims rush too much to being happy about this. it may be fastest growing etc etc, but it's a matter of stats. as i said, i can make a new religion which will be the "fastest growing" but that doesn't make it the "most popular" which is basically what's more important

also, in developed countries, islam will never ever ever take the majorance because developed countries tend to have more liberate societies, to which islam doesn't really fit in

[KASTRIOTI]

......also, in developed countries, islam will never ever ever take the majorance because developed countries tend to have more liberate societies, to which islam doesn't really fit in
2 days ago i'd be surprised with this sentence but not anymore. Good to be prepared! :D

[KASTRIOTI]

Why Some Believe Islam Is The Fastest Growing Religion:
ISLaAM is the fastest growing religion in the world. Because Islam is a complete way of life. It tells man about the purpose of his creation and existence, his ultimate destiny, his place among other creatures and more importantly, it provides him with guidance to lead a balanced and purposeful life which will enable him to avoid the Hell-fire and be rewarded with a place in Paradise in the life after death. Simply Islaam is to "Obey Allah" (Allah is the Name of the Only One True God). Islaam is a verb in Arabic (a doing word). The one who does Islaam is called a Muslim. (Allah calls us "Muslims" in His Speech of Qur'ân).

The Arabic word Islaam means voluntary surrender to the will of Allaah and obedience to His commands. Allaah is an Arabic word, the proper name of God. Muslims prefer to use Allaah rather than God.
Jovan, seriously you cannot use this as argument that Islam is growing this fast (how fast anyway?!), even if it is the opinion of "some". Thinking of it, why do you personally believe that Islam is expanding (if it is indeed?)?

[..Jovan..]

Jovan, seriously you cannot use this as argument that Islam is growing this fast (how fast anyway?!), even if it is the opinion of "some". Thinking of it, why do you personally believe that Islam is expanding (if it is indeed?)?
No it just Tsunami denied that it was the fastest growing religion, i don't know how fast; i could try and find out.

[..Jovan..]

i think some of you muslims rush too much to being happy about this. it may be fastest growing etc etc, but it's a matter of stats. as i said, i can make a new religion which will be the "fastest growing" but that doesn't make it the "most popular" which is basically what's more important

I ask of you to find a phrase in any of my posts saying that it is the most popular. I only stated that it is the fastest growing religion.


also, in developed countries, islam will never ever ever take the majorance because developed countries tend to have more liberate societies, to which islam doesn't really fit in
Never said it did. Just stated that in the Western world Islam is the fastest growing religion and in most Western nations Islam is the 2nd majority of religions.



United Kingdom
Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%,
Population: 60,441,457 | Muslim Percentage: 2.7% | Number Of Muslims: 1,631,919|




France
Roman Catholic 83%-88%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 5%-10%, unaffiliated 4%
Population: 60,656,178| Muslim Percentage: 7.5% | Number Of Muslims: 4,549,213




Netherlands
Roman Catholic 31%, Dutch Reformed 13%, Calvinist 7%, Muslim 5.5%, other 2.5%, none 41% (2002)
Population: 16,407,491| Muslim Percentage: 6% |Number Of Muslims: 984,449




Austria
Roman Catholic 73.6%, Protestant 4.7%, Muslim 4.2%, other 3.5%, unspecified 2%, none 12% (2001 census)
Population: 8,184,691| Muslims Percentage: 4.7%| Number Of Muslims: 384,680




Italy
approximately 90% Roman Catholic (about one-third regularly attend services); mature Protestant and Jewish communities and a growing Muslim immigrant community
Population: 58,103,033| Muslim Percentage: 1.7%| Number Of Muslims: 987,751




USA
Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%, other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)
Population: 295,734,134| Muslim Percentage: 1%| Number Of Muslims: 4,558,068




Canada
Roman Catholic 42.6%, Protestant 23.3% (including United Church 9.5%, Anglican 6.8%, Baptist 2.4%, Lutheran 2%), other Christian 4.4%, Muslim 1.9%, other and unspecified 11.8%, none 16% (2001 census)
Population: 32,805,041| Muslim Percentage: 2%| Number Of Muslims: 656,100




European Union
Population:457,225,665| Muslim Percentage: 3.12%| Number Of Muslims: 14,260,985

Source: CIA and Wikipedia ('Islam by nation')

Now i know what you are going to say that it is only a small percentage. Remember now that i said that they were the 2nd biggest majority in most Western nations. Also remember that i never said that they will be number one only that they are growing quite fast in the West. Now when Turkey enters the EU we can only expect those numbers to rise.

[Balozi]

yes but dont forget that in that muslim population are included the immigrants

[..Jovan..]

yes but dont forget that in that muslim population are included the immigrants
Yes valid point. I also realise with Turkey coming into the EU this immagrant community will rise. Though Islam is growing pretty fast due to the high birth rates. Also there are quite a few covnerts but i am a little busy atm i will find some info on the convertion later:)

[..Jovan..]

I thought you guys would like to see this article. This Priest really didn't want Islam to spread across the World.



Protesting the rapid growth of the Muslim population worldwide, and the failure of the Protestant Church’s inability to contain it, Roland Weisselberg a 73-year retired priest committed suicide by setting himself on fire at a German monastery, according to United Press International.

Weisselberg died Wednesday in a hospital after having poured a can of petrol over his entire body at Augustine monastery in the eastern city of Erfurt, where Martin Luther spent six years as a monk at the beginning of the 16th century.

Church officials expressed their shock at the incident, stressing that closer dialogue with Islam was crucial to bridge the gap between Muslims and Christians.

Weisselberg was still holding sermons less than two weeks ago.

Witnesses said the former priest climbed into a building site next to the monastery church, where a Reformation Day service was being held, and began shouting “Jesus and Oskar (apparently referring to Oskar Brüsewitz, a priest who burnt himself in 1976 in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany)” before setting his body on fire.

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community, adding that the incident shouldn’t affect relations between Christians and the Muslim world.

Statistics show that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world after Christianity. It is also the fastest growing religion on Earth.

Following a period of tension, aroused as a result of a Danish newspaper’s publication of blasphemous cartoons ridiculing prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Pope Benedict remarks linking Islam to violence, positive initiatives by representatives of both communities, Christians and Muslims ensured that such incidents did not affect the good ties between the followers of the two religions.

Recent months witnessed the set up of various organisations and conferences all aimed at fostering good, meaningful relationships between Muslims and Christians, so that issues of concern to both can be tackled within a framework of mutual respect and deep understanding.

[Balozi]

O.o what an idiot

[tsunami]

Jovan, i didnt deny anything, check the posts again.

I said Islam may be the fastest growing religion, but....

I accepted the fact from post 1.

[dias/zefs]

Your right Amin, Islam's numbers in Europe are growing. The reason is ,in Europe they don't kill Muslims because of their religious differences.However in Muslim copuntries it is different. There is a double standard and a religious blindness among Muslims.

[dias/zefs]

Remember what happened to Christiands in the Middle East because of the Pope's statements and the Mohammed cartoon. That okay, according to Muslims they had the right to. But in Turkey what does your umma do, they keep animals in Greek orthodox churches, they deface images of Christ.

[dias/zefs]

Sorry about the spelling.

[Balozi]

The reason is ,in Europe they don't kill Muslims because of their religious differences.However in Muslim copuntries it is different. There is a double standard and a religious blindness among Muslims.
that's hardly the reason, but i agree that some countries have taken upon religion too seriously

But in Turkey what does your umma do, they keep animals in Greek orthodox churches, they deface images of Christ.
i understand the spirit of your post, maybe you are right, but as about the animals, give me a break. some years ago in greece you guys even sent animals to the church in order for them to get blessed :doh: :bash: (or was it in italy? anyway, it doesn't matter, both christian countries). so before talking about others taking animals to church, look at yourself first

as about the defacing, muslims consider jesus a prophet, and as far as i know in islam it's forbidden to picture prophets, so they removed the face. of course im not saying i agree with this...

[Amin]

Your right Amin, Islam's numbers in Europe are growing. The reason is ,in Europe they don't kill Muslims because of their religious differences.However in Muslim copuntries it is different. There is a double standard and a religious blindness among Muslims.


Yeah? What was war in Kosovo? What was war in Bosnia? I'd say it's pretty much killing Muslims in the heart of Europe. 8 000 only in one village.
And even more absurd Serbs were talking about fanatic Muslim Albanians in Kosovo and their jihad. There's even a book about it from a military expert. lol:doh:
And chetniks destroyed 2000 mosques in Bosnia, and they slaughtered pig in mosque,In Bosnia, in Europe. And your point is?

Did you ever talk to a Lebanese Christian? Or Egyptian one? Maybe you should check how many are living there and under which conditions.
They certainly get jobs, for example, unlike Muslims in some European countries who get "we don't need anyone right now.." when they say their name.

And I was talking about growing Muslim population from converts, people get interested when they see us all the time in the news "who are these lunatics..why they act like this..what their religion preaches..":D

[Amin]

I thought you guys would like to see this article. This Priest really didn't want Islam to spread across the World.


Protesting the rapid growth of the Muslim population worldwide, and the failure of the Protestant Church’s inability to contain it, Roland Weisselberg a 73-year retired priest committed suicide by setting himself on fire at a German monastery, according to United Press International.

Weisselberg died Wednesday in a hospital after having poured a can of petrol over his entire body at Augustine monastery in the eastern city of Erfurt, where Martin Luther spent six years as a monk at the beginning of the 16th century.

Church officials expressed their shock at the incident, stressing that closer dialogue with Islam was crucial to bridge the gap between Muslims and Christians.

Weisselberg was still holding sermons less than two weeks ago.

Witnesses said the former priest climbed into a building site next to the monastery church, where a Reformation Day service was being held, and began shouting “Jesus and Oskar (apparently referring to Oskar Brüsewitz, a priest who burnt himself in 1976 in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany)” before setting his body on fire.

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community, adding that the incident shouldn’t affect relations between Christians and the Muslim world.

Statistics show that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world after Christianity. It is also the fastest growing religion on Earth.

Following a period of tension, aroused as a result of a Danish newspaper’s publication of blasphemous cartoons ridiculing prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Pope Benedict remarks linking Islam to violence, positive initiatives by representatives of both communities, Christians and Muslims ensured that such incidents did not affect the good ties between the followers of the two religions.

Recent months witnessed the set up of various organisations and conferences all aimed at fostering good, meaningful relationships between Muslims and Christians, so that issues of concern to both can be tackled within a framework of mutual respect and deep understanding.




I just read this article here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2434625,00.html) and I thought it's the news. But then I remembered that I saw it before here in some thread.

It is very sad that the priest decided to kill himself, and over something like this?!

Why he didn't study Islam instead to see WHY so many people are accepting it?

Shame.

[Serbian Royalist]

:doh: Ya didn't he realize killing himself means one less Christian? :P j/ks but really that was really uncalled for him to take his life, it's not like Muslims are talking over the world the guy should have realized that it takes decades to make progress in religious domination besides if he is SO scared then Protestants,Catholics,Orthodox Christians should reunite if he's so scared.....personally I am proud being an Orthodox :victory: Christian separate from the rest, but that don't mean we are different were still Christians and we'll always be. Besides we can make room and chill with Amin this is the new age not dark ages ;) :)

[Balkanite]

:doh: Ya didn't he realize killing himself means one less Christian? :P j/ks but really that was really uncalled for him to take his life, it's not like Muslims are talking over the world the guy should have realized that it takes decades to make progress in religious domination besides if he is SO scared then Protestants,Catholics,Orthodox Christians should reunite if he's so scared.....personally I am proud being an Orthodox :victory: Christian separate from the rest, but that don't mean we are different were still Christians and we'll always be. Besides we can make room and chill with Amin this is the new age not dark ages ;) :)

I agree truely a sad happening, personaly i dont see why it would bother him as SR has said it takes a long time for religions to grow, i also agree with SR that christians, muslims should all be able to get along, so who is comming for a Drink? My Shout :P

[Attila]

in Turkey what does your umma do, they keep animals in Greek orthodox churches, they deface images of Christ.

I have to correct this
you must distinguish hatred and ignorance from each other
Turkey or/and Turkish people doesn't belong to any umma first this country is build on national values of M.K ATATURK

secondly yes I have visited kapadokia for 3times and the anchient churches in Bursa (Prusa) once

all the tourguides and the visitors was angry about the ignorant destruction of the frescos in the caves
there were written "Ahmet loves Ayse" "the greatest football team is Fenerbahce" those kind of things

because back then people especailly farmers and those kind of people didin't know the historical and touristic value of that heritage
now of course they are under protection but unfortunatelly too late

[Alalzia]

well this isnt only happents in turkey , in the closter of Daphni (byzantine made with frescos and tessara made out of gold) someone wrote "AEK" .....

I dont have the slightest of respect for any religion but destroying art is stupid and barbaric.

[Attila]

I found this on wikipedia about the daphne closter

After the church was sacked by the Crusaders in 1205, Otho de la Roche, Duke of Athens, gave it to the Cistercian Abbey of Bellevaux. The French monks had the exonarthex reconstructed, built a wall around the monastery and effected numerous other changes until the Turks expelled them and restored the monastery to the Orthodox congregation in 1458

+ during the iconoclastic conflicts among the christians
they destroyed most of the frescos themselves

afgans or iranians I don't remember they exploded the biggest budha statue in the world in the past 10years

sorry we are gone so off topic :(