Song For Serbia

[tsunami]

Greek concert dedicated to Yugoslavia...observe minute 1:45

The song is called: To the borrowed prayers=Stis daneikes tis proseyxes.

*Link Removed*

Enjoy!

[tsunami]

You are a weirdo, mate, somebody delete his message please.

Also this video was broadcasted in national telly, again observe from minute 1:45 to 1:55.

For all those who say that the Greeks belong to the list of people who bombarded Serbia.

[DanMs]

Somebody delete your message and thread.

Whats the point of this thread besides throwing dirt against US?

I am American-Albanian, i dont appreciate it and i am offended. You showed a picture of a fat-ass gricki. Get the hell outta here troll.

[tsunami]

Today i posted a fine article about your compatriots in Greece, but in order to avoid flaming i deleted it, as it seems your trolling behavious leaves me no choice.

Sit back and relaxx.

[DanMs]

There is no point for this thread accept to start flame wars...

[tsunami]

The only flaming part of this thread is your post...first we got no American in this forum and secondly, a very small percentage of this forum actually justifies Americas carpet bombings in Belgrade.

[DanMs]

The only flaming part of this thread is your post...first we got no American in this forum and secondly, a very small percentage of this forum actually justifies Americas carpet bombings in Belgrade.

It does not matter if there are no Americans in this forum. It does not give you the right to post videos who says "FU*K US". It serves for nothing other than flame wars.


And i take offense to that.

How would you like if i post a video from youtube who says Fu*k Greece? Would you appreciate it?

[tsunami]

Oh sorry, i said carpet bombings i should have said plutonium filled radio-active filth which radioactivity reached to Thessaloniki and ofc Albania got swollen by your friends radio-activity.

Ainte open your eyes.

[tsunami]

It does not matter if there are no Americans in this forum. It does not give you the right to post videos who says "FU*K US". It serves for nothing other than flame wars.


And i take offense to that.

How would you like if i post a video from youtube who says Fu*k Greece? Would you appreciate it?
Whateva dude, keep whining.

[Knez_Nenad_Of_Serbia]

DanMs, you are a sick moron. If you take pleasure in the destruction of churches and slaughter of people, then you truly are a retard. Especially if you get orgasms from itO.o

[tsunami]

Nenad did you watch the video?

[..Jovan..]

DanMs how immature of you! Here is Tsunami posting something nice in the music world, well just nice music everything else is a bit to the extreme, and you are showing peoples pain. Ok if you have a problem with the former Yu but what is the point trolling this thread? You said you don't like being offended since your a north American Albanian, do you not think it doesn't work vice versa? There are quite a few Orthodox Christians on this forum and this would offend them with the destruction of the churches and you saying that it pleases you. Maybe you should go to church or a mosque that way atleast you could learn something and not just troll this thread and waste our time.
Next time instead of trolling we have a complaint section, complain there not here. Though i see why you are angry it is not a friendly video you just reacted in the wrong way.


PS: moderators don't delete his message let the world know much intelligence he holds inside his head. And i am changing the name of thread to Song for Serbia as Yugoslavia is dead and the old Yugoslavia was much different to the union of Serbia and Monte, so we can avoid confusion on which Yugo we are talking about.

[hungarian_joker]

DanMs, you are a sick moron. If you take pleasure in the destruction of churches and slaughter of people, then you truly are a retard. Especially if you get orgasms from itO.o
:clap: :clap: :clap: My sentiments exactly.

This guy is a psycho, by definition. Anyone that gets orgasms from pics of destruction must be one.

[RoboCop]

I guess I'm only one here who don't know what DanMs said.

Anyway that guy didn't have to burn his US passport, but still:clap:

Also take a look at this very good song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdTvnd2I67E :~( :~(

[Makeveli]

WoW both of the clips i watch made my hear stand right up :~(
Very good one, realy appreciate it guys :clap:

:victory:

[Balozi]

first of all the orgasm part was obviously sarcastic, guys don't have orgasms, if you didn't know, you can always go and get laid

secondly, i dont agree with his post, but look who we have here complaining, a bunch of dudes praising a hate message that was sent through the song. and a sympathy to those who were ethnic cleansing the land...

[KASTRIOTI]

oohhh what a nice soong.... why can't T.A.T.U do also a song on the crimes Yugoslavia committed, here I have also thought up some words:

"Because death was what you were best at,
Because I didn't come to your assistance:
Forgive me, my sister - Yugoslavia, next time around we'll do some ethinc cleansing together!

Sorry guys, but the song couldn't get any more pathetic!

[KASTRIOTI]

:....This guy is a psycho, by definition. Anyone that gets orgasms from pics of destruction must be one.
I also agree with you Joker, however I'd be more careful in such definitions since by mere rule of thumb it'd be applicable to 1/3 of Serbia's population! I mean they saw the desctruction in Kosova and yet they felt it was right.

Now, they might not get an "orgasm" by it, but it lookos to me they get at least excited by the idea. Anybody care to correct me?

;)

[RoboCop]

guys don't have orgasms

:O :doh: mmm.. Balozi, I think it is you who don't have orgasms, not rest of us.:P
Don't worry, there are probably some pills that can help you.:D
anyway, here get informed: http://www.coolnurse.com/orgasm_male.htm




bla bla... praising a hate message that was sent through the song. and a sympathy to those who were ethnic cleansing the land...
If only you could stop hinding behind of that "hate" mesagge and come clean. You are bothered because song supports Serbs, nothing more.:roll:




oohhh what a nice soong.... why can't T.A.T.U do also a song on the crimes Yugoslavia committed, here I have also thought up some words:

"Because death was what you were best at,
Because I didn't come to your assistance:
Forgive me, my sister - Yugoslavia, next time around we'll do some ethinc cleansing together!

Sorry guys, but the song couldn't get any more pathetic!

Yeah, that would be great.
Also Britney Spears could do one about KLA:

"Because killing and plilaging is what you are made for,
Because we didn't yet succeed in making 100% Albanian Kosovo, and there are still few Serbian churches we didn't burn
Forgive me, my albanian lobbysts and criminals"
:doh:

[..Jovan..]

first of all the orgasm part was obviously sarcastic, guys don't have orgasms, if you didn't know, you can always go and get laid


Don't worry Balozi it will happen one day hahahaha

[DanMs]

Here is Tsunami posting something nice in the music world

Something nice. Are you kidding me? You call that nice?

Very immature of tsunami, you, robocop and makaveli.

You are setting a precedent here and a bad example. That is, you can post racist videos offending other people, countries, and culture. Is that what you stand for? Bravo!!

I am orthodox christian as well and yes my message was sarcastic to show off the hypocrisy in all of this.

Next time when you see a thread popping up with something like "F*ck Greece", Be Prepared to take my side on it for this thread will haunt you.

[WisdomSeeker]

Well,i have to admit that the ''guys dont have orgasms'' statement was a little bit stupid:D

It can be explained only if one has not yet any sexual relations with the opposite sex so far:P

[..Jovan..]

Something nice. Are you kidding me? You call that nice?

Very immature of tsunami, you, robocop and makaveli.

You are setting a precedent here and a bad example. That is, you can post racist videos offending other people, countries, and culture. Is that what you stand for? Bravo!!

I am orthodox christian as well and yes my message was sarcastic to show off the hypocrisy in all of this.

Next time when you see a thread popping up with something like "F*ck Greece", Be Prepared to take my side on it for this thread will haunt you.

why didn't you bother to quote the rest of my setence? i even think the lyrics are shit i only liked the backing track

[DanMs]

why didn't you bother to quote the rest of my setence? i even think the lyrics are shit i only liked the backing track

The way i see it is that tsunami is trying to gain sympathy from Serbs. How pathetic way to do that.

Inferiority Complex...

[..Jovan..]

The way i see it is that tsunami is trying to gain sympathy from Serbs. How pathetic way to do that.

Inferiority Complex...

I have to admit Tsunami is a cool guy but yeah he isn't dumb not to know this wouldn't offend people. Though you shouldn't of reacted showin those churches and destruction, you should of told him like an intellectual.

[tsunami]

LOL, AND LOL again, a concert with a guy burning his American passport to show his regret for the Nuclear bombimg of the Balkans by a fellow Western Power, has triggered all this discussion and discontent among Albanians....hm this is interesting...but then again i have inferiority complexes.

Thanks a lot Jovan for your good words.

And LO very loud this time.

Hehe.

[tsunami]

Jovan why should the Albo's be offended?

Not even the Americans wouldnt be offended, as they are big boys and able to take responsibilities for their actions.

The only people in Europe who are pro-American is only the British and the Albo's.

Whatever the case America bombed the Balkan's with nuclear weapons...this concert is only a mere depiction of the Balkan mindset, and a noble act of retaliation towards them.

First fo my dear Albanian friends, you have no reason in supporting America, because:

a) Serbias bombardment took place to weaken Serbia not to strenghten Albania.

b) Albania has been a loser ever since that happened, because:

1) You didnt get Kossovo, and you will not.

2) You lost the right in kossovo as minorities, or an ethnic Alabania, since the Kossovars decided to change their identity and give you the finger in other words.

c)Your area was one of the most affected by the American nuclear filth and your crops that year went to the garbage.


So...what makes you so Americano lickers?

[WisdomSeeker]

Thats completely off topic.

If you want to ask that question to the albanians,just open a new thread.

[DanMs]

LOL, AND LOL again, a concert with a guy burning his American passport to show his regret for the Nuclear bombimg of the Balkans by a fellow Western Power, has triggered all this discussion and discontent among Albanians....hm this is interesting...but then again i have inferiority complexes.

Thanks a lot Jovan for your good words.

And LO very loud this time.

Hehe.


The fact that you are so impotent to do anything makes you feels this way and drool at the thought that America will one day be doomed.

There's three terms to describe you. Impotence, Hyprocrisy and inferiority complex.

[tsunami]

Ws, all this is off-topic man, come on, now we got an Albanian extrovert, lets hear what hes got to say.

[DanMs]

Wisdom this is perfect to discuss in this thread. What else are we going to discuss, How everybody hates America.


So i am going to do my best to answer him.


Serbias bombardment took place to weaken Serbia not to strenghten Albania.

Serbia's bombardment took place to stop the ethnic cleansing of 800 000 thousand Albanians.


b) Albania has been a loser ever since that happened, because:
Albania has always been a winner.


1) You didnt get Kossovo, and you will not.
Kosovo is already Albanian and Soverign or at least 92% of it. Note* Soverign is different from being formally indepedent.


2) You lost the right in kossovo as minorities, or an ethnic Alabania, since the Kossovars decided to change their identity and give you the finger in other words.

This is absurd and makes no sense.


c)Your area was one of the most affected by the American nuclear filth and your crops that year went to the garbage.

More evidence are needed to prove this other than brainfarts.

[tsunami]

Thank you for your kind words, now go tell your American friends.

I just remember i was in an American capitalistic forum once, and i posed this question to your American buddies, guess what? i was banned next minute.

Also, to answer your question i want America to go forwards because our economies are inter-dependent, if America goes down, Greece goes down as well, dont mix things up, and stop having imaginary friends..stay in context in order to avoid laughter.

[WisdomSeeker]

DanMs,moderate your language please. It was you who attacked him first on the first place.


As about being politically correct and being offended by a HIP HOP band shouting F*uck USA,why dont you get offended when your so loving USA regards every muslim as a terrorist? Why dont you get offended with the stereotypes europeans have on your country (Albania and USA) instead? And why dont you get offended,when USA HIP HOP bands call their afro-american brothers as ''niggers'' themselves?

We are talking about a music BAND for christ sake! And you accuse others of inferiority complexes? :doh:

Next offensive or provocatory post will be deleted.

[tsunami]

I wont really bother for you one-liners, they make sense to the ones who can read them...ask you Albanian friends to educate you on that, not me.

As for your nuclear filth of america..look below:

By Environment Correspondent Alex Kirby

A British scientist says the Americans' use of depleted uranium weapons in the war with Serbia is likely to cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.
A British biologist, Roger Coghill, says he expects the depleted uranium (DU) weapons used by US aircraft over Kosovo will cause more than 10,000 fatal cancer cases.
Mr Coghill, who runs his own research laboratory in south Wales, was speaking at a London conference called to discuss the use by American and British forces of DU in Iraq in the 1991 Gulf war.
High radiation levels
He said there had been evidence in other parts of the Balkans of elevated radiation levels during and soon after the war with Serbia.

Destruction (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/405000/images/_408122_kosovo_house150.jpg Destruction) may be followed by cancer deaths. In mid-June scientists at Kozani in northern Greece were reporting that radiation levels were 25% above normal whenever the wind blew from the direction of Kosovo.
And Bulgarian researchers reported finding levels eight times higher than usual within Bulgaria itself, and up to 30 times higher in Yugoslavia.
DU is a by-product of the enrichment of uranium for making nuclear weapons and reactor fuel. It is 1.7 times heavier than lead, and is used for making armour-piercing rounds.
Safety controversy
Both the Pentagon and the Ministry of Defence insist that it poses no significant danger. But Mr Coghill says that, while DU in its inert form is safe enough, when it strikes a target it does become a real danger.
"In an impact DU catches fire, and much of the round is turned into burning dust. The particles are extremely small, they can travel up to 300 kilometres. They are also beta-emitters, which are dangerous if inhaled."
The particles can then lodge in the lungs, resisting the body's attempts to flush them out, and can wreak havoc with the immune system. They can migrate to any tissue, though they often make for the kidneys.
Using calculations based on the Pentagon's statement that one in five of the rounds fired by its A-10 aircraft over Kosovo were DU munitions, Mr Coghill estimates that more than 500,000 DU rounds were fired, of which half detonated.
He says that would have resulted in the release of about one thirty-thousandth of the amount of radiation released at Chernobyl in 1986. "But that was in the form of caesium on the ground. This is free-floating particulate matter."
Delayed effect
Mr Coghill says the maximum effect will be reached about six months after the war, and he thinks the first cancers - probably leukaemias - will start to show up about a year after that.
"Throughout the Balkan region, I calculate that there will be an extra 10,150 deaths from cancer because of the use of DU. That will include local people, K-FOR personnel, aid workers, everyone."
He accepts that doubts remain over the effects of DU, and says it is vital to listen to critics who suggest that the higher cancer rates seen in parts of Iraq may have been caused by chemical weapons instead.
However, Mr Coghill notes that Bosnia, where DU weapons were used in 1995, was not attacked with chemical munitions, unlike Iraq.
"No epidemiological study can ever prove causality - all it can do is show an association. For proof, you need human, animal and cellular studies. All of those have been carried out on DU, and they support the association," says Mr Coghill.
"The total evidence is strong that DU is behind Gulf War Syndrome, and the increased rates of disease in Iraq - and in Bosnia.
"The birth deformities seen in the Gulf are identical to those seen in Bosnia, and in the children of some US service personnel who were exposed to DU."
He says there is telling confirmation of his distrust of DU. It comes in the form of evidence submitted by radiation physicists at the University of Maryland to the US Department of Energy in April on the long-term use of DU. "They concluded that DU should never be used in a battlefield scenario, because of its hazards to health.


from:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/408122.stm

[DanMs]

DanMs,moderate your language please. It was you who attacked him first on the first place.
.

My language is very moderate. I havent attacked any person, personally, certainly not anymore than they have attacked me. Or maybe moderate for you is to agree with your point of view? Than i am sorry, i cannot do that.



As about being politically correct and being offended by a HIP HOP band shouting F*uck USA,why dont you get offended when your so loving USA regards every muslim as a terrorist? Why dont you get offended with the stereotypes europeans have on your country (Albania and USA) instead?

Or is it convenient in that case?

We are talking about a music BAND for christ sake! And you accuse others of inferiority complexes?

Let's have a serious discussion about this. First i agree with you about American stereotypes on muslims. Its wrong!!! You cant labell a whole people terrorist.

Why should i be offended about stereotypes that certain European have on me? Especially, when these stereotypes are not true. Also another question, Are these stereotypes representing a majority or a minority of people's thinking about us.

Just to let you know i could care less if countries like France,Greece and Serbia, Russia have stereotypes on us.

I would care more if Germany,US,Britain,Spain had these stereotypes.

[RoboCop]

It's amazing that when any thread is presented about serbs and greeks, the same moment albanians here feel threatened and start bashing with some nonsence. It reaminds me of that thread about agreement made by serbia and greece. Same thing as here.

And as I already said stop hiding behind statement that it is provocative about americans. If you DanMs or anyone else are offended by the lyrics then check this thread: American ignorance of the world. (http://www.balkanium.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1621&page=2&highlight=america) Here they are ridiculed all the way, yet no one complained.


If you don't like the songs don't listen them. Everyone has it's personal view about art.
I liked them both and express gratitude for them.:)

[DanMs]

Tsunami your source is 8 years old.

July 30, 1999 when emotions were still high on the Balkans and propaganda the best way to gain sympathy.


Do you have anything more recent. Like a study in 2005-2006 about the impact that these so-proffessed to be "uraniam-bombs" had on the Balkans, 8 years after the war?

[tsunami]

LOL< LOL<LOL>LOLO>OLOLO.


OMG, i lost it completely now, it was when it happened dude.........the concert was in 1999, the bombing was in 1999, and the nuclear filth was felt in 1999.


AKKKAKAKAAKAKAKAKAKA

[tsunami]

Tsunami your source is 8 years old.

July 30, 1999 when emotions were still high on the Balkans and propaganda the best way to gain sympathy.


Do you have anything more recent. Like a study in 2005-2006 about the impact that these so-proffessed to be "uraniam-bombs" had on the Balkans, 8 years after the war?
Wait ill just take a report out of my ass, send it to BBC, and then quote you happy.

PF, enough fun for today i work in a bit.

I c u all later.

[WisdomSeeker]

My language is very moderate. I havent attacked any person, personally, certainly not anymore than they have attacked me.

Do i have to restore the pics on your deleted post(especially the destroyed church,accompanied with your comment) in order for the others to see whether it was moderate or not?

Actually,by deleting that spesific post,i have made you a favour,since the rest (those who havent seen it that is) cant form an opinion.


Or maybe moderate for you is to agree with your point of view? Than i am sorry, i cannot do that.

How do you know my point of view? Have i expressed it in this thread? Or do you assume (thus stereotyping ) that since im greek i have to take serb's cause? Then you are doing what you accuse others for.

Plus,my comment refer to this thread only. Who started the flame post? Be reasonable please.


First i agree with you about American stereotypes on muslims.Its wrong!!! You cant labell a whole people terrorist.

Are you aware of any stereotype that it is correct? I am not.

Now,just spesify whether you are offended because a HIP HOP band shouted F*CK USA,or you were because this incident has taken place in a serb concert.


Why should i be offended about stereotypes that certain European have on me?

Then why are you offended if a hip hop band has shouted that?:? Its the same logic.

[KASTRIOTI]

Jovan why should the Albo's be offended?

Not even the Americans wouldnt be offended, as they are big boys and able to take responsibilities for their actions.

The only people in Europe who are pro-American is only the British and the Albo's.

Whatever the case America bombed the Balkan's with nuclear weapons...this concert is only a mere depiction of the Balkan mindset, and a noble act of retaliation towards them.
WS and all other moderators, how can I let this comment go unanswered?!:D I mean come ooon.........

Tsunami, let's take your points one by one shall we?

First fo my dear Albanian friends, you have no reason in supporting America, because:

a) Serbias bombardment took place to weaken Serbia not to strenghten Albania.
Maybe, just maybe, one has had his head so far up his a$$ that one does not realise that when US bombarded Serbia, Albania did not have to get strengthened. There was no need... The US took care of weakening Serbia, which did Albania good so it did not have to go to war. Now, if you think about that Tsunami, I think it is pretty good for Albania.

.....b) Albania has been a loser ever since that happened, because:

1) You didnt get Kossovo, and you will not.
Now, I am convinced that one did INDEED had his head too far up his a$$ not to realise that Albania did not want unification with Kosova, NOT officially. Furthermore, Kosova was split from Serbia which actually fulfilled the aspirations of Albanians in Kosova, and that tsunami is WHAT ALBANIA EXPECTED! So....... how can it be a looser?!

..2) You lost the right in kossovo as minorities, or an ethnic Alabania, since the Kossovars decided to change their identity and give you the finger in other words.
Yeah we lost the right in Kosova as a minority, once we became MAJORITY!!! :trampolin :trampolin Ohh that was funny! And by the way Ethnic Albania is still there Tsunami... it is not officially with definitive borders, but it is there. Now if you'd do a simple survey you'd see that the position of Albanians in the balkans during the last 7 years has improved a lot. Very soon there will be a second independent Albanian state, in FYROM Albanians are doing pretty good, in Presevo Valley they are pretty well organized as they are in Montenegro also. If you ask me ...... we're doing pretty good!

c)Your area was one of the most affected by the American nuclear filth and your crops that year went to the garbage.
Colleteral damage. No biggie. The following year was very generous! ;)

So...what makes you so Americano lickers?
Well, let me list the reasons:

- Because in 1921 USA vetoed a secret plan by Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria to divide Albania.

- Because in 1999 they bombed Serbia and stop the ethnic cleansing of Kosova.

- Because it continued the bombing despite what Greece and other "allies" thought.

Oh did I mention because they bombed Serbia? Oh yes I did! Sorry my bad!

[DanMs]

It's amazing that when any thread is presented about serbs and greeks, the same moment albanians here feel threatened and start bashing with some nonsence. It reaminds me of that thread about agreement made by serbia and greece. Same thing as here.

And as I already said stop hiding behind statement that it is provocative about americans. If you DanMs or anyone else are offended by the lyrics then check this thread: American ignorance of the world. Here they are ridiculed all the way, yet no one complained.


If you don't like the songs don't listen them. Everyone has it's personal view about art.
I liked them both and express gratitude for them

Look i got nothing against Greeks and Serbs showing love to each other.But not when that love is fed by hatred of USA and Albanians.

Another inferiority complex is that greeks and serbs want Albanians to be jeolous of their love toward each other. Confusing? O.o

If he posted the video about the how these people are friendly towards each other or orthodox brotherhood, i could care less. Certainly the only way Greeks try to gain sympathy of serbs is by playing the religion card or the "F*ck USA"-card. Other than that, genetics hardly links you two peoples together. Just a personal observation.

[tsunami]

Kastrioti, tsk tsk.

Playing smart arent you...anyways, tis funny.

I told you in the other thread dont make me repeat myself, i hate it.

and also, i guess thats a good enough reason to Be Americano-lickers.

In anyway, i believe i have explained to you what is the difference between April's national interests and March's national interests, so lets not go there again.

As for a more complete viewpoint, i ll cu late tonight, or tommoroow morning if i dnt make it tonight.

Peace now, and try to moderate your kids a little bit.

[WisdomSeeker]

DanMs,just answer me this question:

How can a superior country in every sense,militarily,socially,economically (Greece) can have an inferiority complex over a smaller,poorer and much more weaker in every sense? (Albania):?

Do you realise that you are saying absurdities? It is not a matter of complexes,if i were you i would not take the discussion in that level.

@Kastrioti,ive seen tsunami's post,but i havent commented it,because i regard it off topic actually.

[RoboCop]

Look i got nothing against Greeks and Serbs showing love to each other.But not when that love is fed by hatred of USA and Albanians.
Albanians weren't even mentioned in any of those songs.;)




Another inferiority complex is that greeks and serbs want Albanians to be jeolous of their love toward each other. Confusing? O.o
You missed the thread. "drugs" thread is below.


genetics hardly links you two peoples together. Just a personal observation.

So???

[DanMs]

Americano-lickers.

That's an Inappropriate term to use. Not anymore than Greece is an EU-licker and Russian-licker.

...or Are you saying that the a$$ of EU and Russia is cleaner than that of USA?


Peace now, and try to moderate your kids a little bit.

Speaks for yourslef. I am also out of this thread.

[DanMs]

How can a superior country in every sense,militarily,socially,economically (Greece) can have an inferiority complex over a smaller,poorer and much more weaker in every sense? (Albania)

You cant use terms like superior Wisdom. People have different standards of measurement.

Maybe in Greece to be superior Socially is to kill immigrants, in Albania to be superior has a different definition. Its just an example.


Plus when i talk about inferiority complexes i talk abotu Greece's feelings towards USA. They hate them so much even though USA has helped Greece so much.

[WisdomSeeker]

You cant use terms like superior Wisdom. People have different standards of measurement.

Not when it comes down to democracy and economy DanMs.


Maybe in Greece to be superior Socially is to kill immigrants, in Albania to be superior has a different definition. Its just an example.


no,by social superiority i mean that albanians are not socially mature enouph yet,since they have been ruled under Hohxa for 40+ years and they needed international observers in order teach them how to sustain democratic elections during the last decade.


Plus when i talk about inferiority complexes i talk abotu Greece's feelings towards USA. They hate them so much even though USA has helped Greece so much.


Yeah right,we hate them so much that we have given them the biggest NATO base on the balkans,or the biggest embassy on our region:roll:

Dont talk when you dont know the greek internal politics mate.

Or you do?:?

[DanMs]

no,by social superiority i mean that albanians are not socially mature enouph yet,since they have been ruled under Hohxa for 40+ years and they needed international observers in order teach them how to sustain democratic elections during the last decade.

Treatment of minorities, immigrants and human rights are also social requirement for democracy.





Yeah right,we hate them so much that we have given them the biggest NATO base on the balkans,or the biggest embassy on our region

Dont talk when you dont know the greek internal politics mate.

Or you do?

Look at tsunami... what more proof do you want.

[WisdomSeeker]

Treatment of minorities, immigrants and human rights are also social requirement for democracy

Agreed 100%,and in fact Greece has the best record among the balkan countries over social rights. Any objections perhaps?:?


Look at tsunami... what more proof do you want.

And you are taking your conclusions on Greek population over tsunami's (or mine) or the other greek members' here opinion?:?

Wasnt it you who have said in this thread that it is wrong stereotyping others?

And btw,why are we not supposed to criticize USA's foreign policy? Not on Kossovo issue,but in Iraq for example. I have seen the same viewpoint from Balozi,an albanian as well.:?

At least we should set straight what we are. Is Greece USA's a$$ licker or it is totally anti US? :D

Im confused:badday:

On a more serious note,i dont see why when one expresses its criticism over US must be labelled straightly as an anti-US. oh well...:roll:

[DanMs]

Agreed 100%,and in fact Greece has the best record among the balkan countries over social rights. Any objections perhaps?
Of course, total objections.

Greece is listed with countries like Nigeria and Philipines lacking behind Balkan countries when it comes to human rights for shelter according to the Center for Shelter and Migration rights in Geneva.

Also has been criticized for serious violation in human rights such as maltreatments against immigrants and minorities. One can recall that moment when an Albanian was killed in Athens because they lost a soccer game. Another inferiority complex...




And you are taking your conclusions on Greek population over tsunami's (or mine) or the other greek members' here opinion?

Wasnt it you who have said in this thread that it is wrong stereotyping others?

And btw,why are we not supposed to criticize USA's foreign policy? Not on Kossovo issue,but in Iraq for example. I have seen the same viewpoint from Balozi,an albanian as well.

At least we should set straight what we are. Is Greece USA's a$$ licker or it is totally anti US?

Im confused

On a more serious note,i dont see why when one expresses its criticism over US must be labelled straightly as an anti-US. oh well...

I would say Greece is very anti-US, even though US has helped Greece. Its one of those hypocrisies. But since Greece is very small and weak, US couldnt give two-shits what Greece thinks.

Criticising something and lacking total respect for something, totally two different things. First is okay, second is a matter of ethics.

[WisdomSeeker]

Of course, total objections.

Greece is listed with countries like Nigeria and Philipines lacking behind Balkan countries when it comes to human rights for shelter according to the Center for Shelter and Migration rights in Geneva.

I will give you the benefit of doubt,any source which claims Greece lacks behind balkan countries on human rights?

Or do you imply that Albania has a better record on human rights than Greece? Check the appropriate thread.


Also has been criticized for serious violation in human rights such as maltreatments against immigrants and minorities.

Criticism is a different thing. Do i have to post criticism on Albania perhaps? We are talking of an OVERALL record DanMs. Trying to compare the quality of our democracies is a lost cause im afraid.

Or should i post reports on France on maltreatements against immigrants? Or in Germany? According to your logic democracy in those countries is lagging badly perhaps?:doh:

btw,here are the US state department reports of 2005 regarding Greece:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61651.htm

and Albania:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61633.htm

You can compare the things Greece is lagging behind (common to more ''advanced'' democracies like France or Germany) and Albania's.

If you are not convinced yet,just present your sources. No problem with that.


One can recall that moment when an Albanian was killed in Athens because they lost a soccer game. Another inferiority complex...

the man who killed him was a psycho american-greek and got convicted in life imprisonment.

And since you are talking about inferiority complexes,what about the banner in Tirana in the first soccer game which stated ''Here it is not Portugal''? Or the burning of greek flags? The first game was in Albania DanMs.

And if i were you i would not follow the path,because i can count hundreds of examples of ''inferiority complex'' of your connationals in Greece. I see them every 2 months you know.

As i have said,be reasonable and dont debate just for the sake of discussion.


I would say Greece is very anti-US, even though US has helped Greece. Its one of those hypocrisies. But since Greece is very small and weak, US couldnt give two-shits what Greece thinks.

And what makes you think they do for Albania? LOL:D

USA follow their national interests only,and dont give a rats a$$ for noone in the region. Wake up!


Criticising something and lacking total respect for something, totally two different things. First is okay, second is a matter of ethics.

This is only an assumption of yours. Lacking total respect? I can hardly comment on something so absurd im afraid:trampolin

[DanMs]

Or do you imply that Albania has a better record on human rights than Greece? Check the appropriate thread

We do have better records. We do not kill Greeks when we loose a soccer game. Why... because we are not soore loosers :~(





Criticism is a different thing. Do i have to post criticism on Albania perhaps? We are talking of an OVERALL record DanMs. Trying to compare the quality of our democracies is a lost cause im afraid.

It's not a different thing. Why is it different, its totally irrelevant. They are criticizing Greece for maltreating minorities(beating,killings,discriminati ng).


Or should i post reports on France on maltreatements against immigrants? Or in Germany? According to your logic democracy in those countries is lagging badly perhaps?:doh:
France too has been criticized for maltreatments of its minorities.


btw,here are the US state department reports of 2005 regarding Greece:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61651.htm

and Albania:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61633.htm

Yes they have improved over the years however Human Rights Watch would be a better and more appropriate source.


You can compare the things Greece is lagging behind (common to more ''advanced'' democracies like France or Germany) and Albania's.

If you are not convinced yet,just present your sources. No problem with that.
I am not conviced and i have presented my sources. Political manipulation of sources is a different thing and the reality on ground is a different thing. On a positive note, Greece might be better on other social issues... human rights is not one.


the man who killed him was a psycho american-greek and got convicted in life imprisonment.
He should, nobody should get away with killing.


And since you are talking about inferiority complexes,what about the banner in Tirana in the first soccer game which stated ''Here it is not Portugal''? Or the burning of greek flags? The first game was in Albania DanMs.
So because of the banner you have the right to kill people. Cry me a river... thats what sore loosers do.


And if i were you i would not follow the path,because i can count hundreds of examples of ''inferiority complex'' of your connationals in Greece. I see them every 2 months you know.
Okay... O.o


As i have said,be reasonable and dont debate just for the sake of discussion.

I am reasonable... you are not though...


And what makes you think they do for Albania?

USA follow their national interests only,and dont give a rats a$$ for noone in the region. Wake up!
It just happen that US interest coincide with Albanian interest for the last 100 years. Albanian interest are similar to that of US, so there is no reason for us not to like them.



This is only an assumption of yours. Lacking total respect? I can hardly comment on something so absurd im afraid
Usually people who resort to cheap insults have no respect. "F*ck Usa" was a cheap insult.

[Serbian Royalist]

We do have better records I think thats cuz Albanians are pretty much the only people in Albania DanMs.

And correct me if I am wrong but didn't Albania go from (BFF's) with Russia to China and now USA.so who's next China again?:roll:

Ya Albania is the most pro US country and Europe?....oh I see how they reward you guys:roll: . yep Every one shakes because of Albania cuz they know if they mess with them they gonna get their nanny (US) to spank Europe. :common051



Yeah we lost the right in Kosova as a minority, once we became MAJORITY!!! Not after you lost Autonomy ;)

P.S save that ^ for the proper threads

[WisdomSeeker]

We do have better records. We do not kill Greeks when we loose a soccer game. Why... because we are not soore loosers

I thought you wanted a serious debate. Using such characterisations of ''soore loosers'' you think you are engaging in one?

I could easily answer on the same line,but i will not.

You have not presented any sources. You have just stated an argument,and out of reality too. Or should i believe you just because you are saying so?O.o


It's not a different thing. Why is it different, its totally irrelevant. They are criticizing Greece for maltreating minorities(beating,killings,discriminati ng).


I have used the US departement state on purpose,as US is a valuable ally of Albania. I can use HRW as well.
And since you are repeating each time this ''discrimination'' thingy,when the ''killings'' (PLURAL sic!) happened? 2001? Have you any idea of Albania's report in 2001? i doubt so:roll:

or should we talk about the report of THIS YEAR perhaps?

http://www.balkanium.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2036


A new Economist Intelligence Unit survey of 167 countries places Greece among the world's 28 "full democracies" and seven other Southeast European countries in the group of "flawed democracies". Three other countries in the region are seen as "hybrid regimes".


Ranked 83rd, 87th and 88th, respectively, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Turkey are in the 30-nation "hybrid regimes" group. Their overall scores range from 5.91 points for Albania to 5.78 for BiH and 5.70 for Turkey. Their highest marks are for electoral process and pluralism. Albania's worst mark of 4.44 is for political participation, while BiH's lowest score of 3.29 is for functioning of government. Turkey's lowest mark of 3.75 is for political culture.


France too has been criticized for maltreatments of its minorities

My point exactly. IS its democracy lagging behind Albanian one perhaps?;)


Yes they have improved over the years however Human Rights Watch would be a better and more appropriate source.

Of course. You are free to go and see for yourself ,and compare the political situation in our countries. In fact,i invite you to post the results in the appropriate threads.


So because of the banner you have the right to kill people. Cry me a river... thats what sore loosers do

Oh really? So you take as an example an individual with psychological problems who convicted on the discrimination against your connationals in Greece? How would you feel if i told you that Albanians sell their women in the trafficking market then?:?


I am reasonable... you are not though...

Why am i not? Because i am trying to make you some sense?:roll:


It just happen that US interest coincide with Albanian interest for the last 100 years.

That was funny. You have wiped off Hohxa's era....completely gone!

Where was USA during the 60's ,70's and 80's? Oh yes,i forgot,it was them who built the bunkers in the albanian-greek borders i supposeO.o


Usually people who resort to cheap insults have no respect. "F*ck Usa" was a cheap insult

You are free to see what kind of comments ive read in the kossovo thread....by BOTH sides:roll:

Dont be so touchy;)

[DanMs]

I thought you wanted a serious debate. Using such characterisations of ''soore loosers'' you think you are engaging in one?

Not-serious replies deserve non-serious answers... I do not take non-serious studies into consideration. Its easy to pay some bucks nowadays to distort things esp by countries who as you said are "economically" well-off.

I often see conservatists-data, liberal-data... for economy bla bla they are all crap. The same could be applied to situations like this. Matter of fact is the immigrants in Greece face persecusion, i know a dozen of people who have returned from Greece to US and Canada because of that persecution.

If the same parallel treatment was given to the few Greeks of Albania, then the media-frenzy would've reacted very harshly against the Albanian-state. Just shows to prove the double-standards of the world we're living in today.



You have not presented any sources. You have just stated an argument,and out of reality too. Or should i believe you just because you are saying so?O.o
I dont need politically manipulated sources to make myself feel good. I have real-life examples and experiences.



I have used the US departement state on purpose,as US is a valuable ally of Albania. I can use HRW as well.
And since you are repeating each time this ''discrimination'' thingy,when the ''killings'' (PLURAL sic!) happened? 2001? Have you any idea of Albania's report in 2001? i doubt so:roll:
Well Albania has its own problems. One of them is not maltreatment of foreign immigrants or minorities. Maybe corruption, rule of law... etc etc


or should we talk about the report of THIS YEAR perhaps?
I acknowledged Greece has gotten beter the last years.




My point exactly. IS its democracy lagging behind Albanian one perhaps?;)
Feeling mighty today grouping Greece with Germany? ;)



Of course. You are free to go and see for yourself ,and compare the political situation in our countries. In fact,i invite you to post the results in the appropriate threads.
Again, beating the same old stick. Albania is relatively poorer in comparison with Greece and hence the political situation. I dont even think we have a government who acts in our own interest.

But that does not mean that our society is as bigotted as your Greek society. In fact we are very very tolerant in comparison.


Oh really? So you take as an example an individual with psychological problems who convicted on the discrimination against your connationals in Greece? How would you feel if i told you that Albanians sell their women in the trafficking market then?:?

No that statement is wrong. Albanians do sell women in the trafficking market, but not their women. Most of them are Moldovian,Russian,Ukrainian,Serb,,,
I dont think they sell Greek girls... for obvious reasons.



Why am i not? Because i am trying to make you some sense?:roll:
I already have sense.



That was funny. You have wiped off Hohxa's era....completely gone!
I see Greeks like to talk a lot about Hoxha a lot. We all have had out bad leader. Germany-Hitler, Greece-Fascists Russia-Stalin... Romania-Ceauşescu... the list goes on


Where was USA during the 60's ,70's and 80's? Oh yes,i forgot,it was them who built the bunkers in the albanian-greek borders i supposeO.o
Again, this is very irrelevant subject. We are talking BS right now. Very counterproductive arguments we are having.

Your orthodox-brothers, your friends the Slavs introduce communism. Albanians themselves are pretty free-spirited people. Enver Hoxha aswell looks like a Greek and got support from Greek communists.

Such communistic types are usually the greko-looking Albanians.



You are free to see what kind of comments ive read in the kossovo thread....by BOTH sides:roll:
Link?

[..Jovan..]

Well to summarise, only the music in the backing was good, the song altogether is crap. I mean they can burn a US passport and say **** american 1,000 times, what does he gain? Just praise from Serbs. If you put them on a stage in the USA to do that, the outcome wouldn't be the same, wonder how much praise they would get then;)

Tsunami i never said it offended Albanians, as Dan is an American-Albanian it would offends those who are proud of their heritages, in this case his American-Albanian heritage. Tsunami would you like it if a Turk got up on stage and started shouting '**** Greece' and burnt a Greek passport? Though i will state for the third time DanMs did react not intellectually when he could of addressed that it offended him instead putting up churches being burnt and other destruction.

This is causing controversy and i just argument and obvioulsy a member is offended.


2) Respect each other. Please dont offend other members or their countries. This will not be tolerated.

This is a forum rule and as Dan feels he is somewhat American it offends him i am going to have the take the video down as my duty as a moderator. If you have a problem with the rule then go to complaint section, the other video can stay.

Tsunami you even wrote in the shoutboxs for 'Yugos' (Serbs) to go and see this video, so from assumption i take it you are doing that to get praise from Serbs. Sorry but this thread has no real meaning than just really mud throwing.

[RoboCop]

Jovan, that song was ment for Serbs. There's no need to perform it in USA (even if he wanted to, it will be little hard to go there since he burned his passport:roll: :D ) So, the quality of the song is not in first plan, but intention. Though I can't describe quality cause I don't understand it.

Also this what can we read today here is 100% crap. If DanMs was as an american offended by the lyrics why didn't he as an american react on that thread where many members here were ridiculing US and their cituzens intelligenceO.o . I already posted the link.
It's not that thing that bugs him, problem is... song support Serbs.


Comparing Albania and Greece is also foolish. I don't even know on which field they can be compared. WS brough you evidences about democracy level from US sites and also independent one. And you still insist on your personal experiences. We all have them, but statistics in this case say everything.
And why do you inisist on some complexes? That's totally strange to me, you clarify all with: "that's cause you have inferiority complex"O.o I can nothing to point out from that.

[WisdomSeeker]

Not-serious replies deserve non-serious answers... I do not take non-serious studies into consideration. Its easy to pay some bucks nowadays to distort things esp by countries who as you said are "economically" well-off.

I dont recall calling Albanians names as ''loosers''... Maybe i should in order to make my reply serious?:roll:

I repeat my previous statement,i have no problem when you will present the HRW source. I have said in fact to go there and see for yourself.


I often see conservatists-data, liberal-data... for economy bla bla they are all crap. The same could be applied to situations like this. Matter of fact is the immigrants in Greece face persecusion, i know a dozen of people who have returned from Greece to US and Canada because of that persecution.
If the same parallel treatment was given to the few Greeks of Albania, then the media-frenzy would've reacted very harshly against the Albanian-state. Just shows to prove the double-standards of the world we're living in today.

Point number 1:

Your limited knowledge and experience is not the right ground on judging the odiern reality of your connationals in Greece. I dont want to extend much further here,as i have already discussed the same things all over again with Balozi and Kastrioti. Check the apropriate thread.

Point number 2:

The same prejudice and stereotype of ''persecution'' i hve seen from other Albanians,i am seeing coming from your side as well.

Well,FYI only the ILLEGAL immigrants face a possible persecution,and you have no idea of how the greek minority suffered (as well as albanians themselves ) during Hohxa's era. Comparing the 2 cases is out of context.


I dont need politically manipulated sources to make myself feel good. I have real-life examples and experiences

Possible,but you lack the full picture. A typical example of limited judgement on a much more complicated issue.
(And it is not a personal attack,but rather a more general constatement). I could counter argue that i know a dozen of examples of successful Albanians in Greece. Where would that lead us? To a vicious circle i suppose.


Feeling mighty today grouping Greece with Germany?

There is no comparison. Just as Greece with Albania. Same case.
It is not me who started comparing the 2 countries though,remember that.



Again, beating the same old stick. Albania is relatively poorer in comparison with Greece and hence the political situation. I dont even think we have a government who acts in our own interest.
But that does not mean that our society is as bigotted as your Greek society. In fact we are very very tolerant in comparison.

Aww Dan, you are talking with an balkaner here. Where is the tolerance,when we all know the situation of serbs in Kossovo NOW? Dont hide behind your fingers. If Greece is not tolerant towards Albanians,why over 1 million of them are still working there? And what about Albanian tolerance towards the serbs?:roll:




No that statement is wrong. Albanians do sell women in the trafficking market, but not their women. Most of them are Moldovian,Russian,Ukrainian,Serb,,,
I dont think they sell Greek girls... for obvious reasons.

You have not caught my point. If you judge greek society over a killing of Albanian by a psycho greek,why others cant judge the albanian ones out of the albanian mafia by generalising?;)

Yet we dont do it.



I see Greeks like to talk a lot about Hoxha a lot. We all have had out bad leader. Germany-Hitler, Greece-Fascists Russia-Stalin... Romania-Ceauşescu... the list goes on

And again you didnt catch my drift. You have said Albania and USA have been constant and continuous allies for 100 years,when in fact this is not true. Hence my mentioning the Hohxa era.


Such communistic types are usually the greko-looking Albanians.

Greko-looking Albanians. Hmmmmmm,what about them? who are they? I have never seen any ''greko-looking'' albanian.

What about the ''albanian-looking albanians''? What are the differences between the 2 groups?:?

And,since you are insisting on the same line,if the ''greek-looking Albanians'' are communists,why it took you over 40 years to get rid of them?

I repeat,i suggest you 'd moderate your language,especially the last ''racistoid'' remarks.

Get serious please.

[DanMs]

This thread is going no where and i got a lot of work to do as i have final exams.

Regarding human rights, Albanians are not the only ones who are discriminated. Macedonians as well.

Either both these nations are lying or the Greeks are heavenly people. I see, you have chosen to believe the latter one.

[WisdomSeeker]

Regarding human rights, Albanians are not the only ones who are discriminated. Macedonians as well.

Indeed, Macedonians are complaining. All 2000 of them .


Either both these nations are lying or the Greeks are heavenly people

I never said we are heavenly. You are over stretching my arguments.

Whatever,good luck with your exams.

[DanMs]

Thanks I'll need it.

I've wasted 6 hours browsing the internet today... :bash:

[tsunami]

This is the actual video clip, without provocations or any other stuff.

This song bears a lot of meaning.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LkEn5yYFM6c&mode=related&search=


Lyrics.


The borrowed prayers...Hellena learn not to speak.

You grew old...... by crying for them.

To the borrowed prayers........the wishes have no meaning.

[Makeveli]

This is the actual video clip, without provocations or any other stuff.

This song bears a lot of meaning.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LkEn5yYFM6c&mode=related&search=


Lyrics.


The borrowed prayers...Hellena learn not to speak.

You grew old...... by crying for them.

To the borrowed prayers........the wishes have no meaning.


WoW impressive man :victory:

[tsunami]

Cheers Mak, this group comes from Pirea, my area.

Their songs are very deep.

This song criticizes, the 3 monotheistic religions in the beginning by showing how, the infant gets indoctrinated without consent, and how the same infant later in life grows to bring mass destruction in the name of Christ..Muhammed, Yahve and so on.


He addresses the Greeks and says:

In the borrowed(Christian) prayers ...wishes have no meaning.

While in your own Greek(orphic...pagan) prayers you can ask whatever.

You grew old dear Greek, for praying(crying) for the same borrowed meaningless prayers.

and then he shouts::


Greek learn not to speak..these damned borrowed prayers for look what they cause.


Btw, anyone who attends Church on Sunday...listen to the damnations to the Hellenes.

This is the Hellenic damnation to the Christians and the rest Jewish sects.

[..Jovan..]

This is the actual video clip, without provocations or any other stuff.

This song bears a lot of meaning.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LkEn5yYFM6c&mode=related&search=


Lyrics.


The borrowed prayers...Hellena learn not to speak.

You grew old...... by crying for them.

To the borrowed prayers........the wishes have no meaning.

What the hell has this got to do with a Song for Serbia?

[..Jovan..]

and how the same infant later in life grows to bring mass destruction in the name of Christ..Muhammed, Yahve and so on.

.

Since when does anyone do in the name of Muhmmad(pbuh)? Bismillah means in the name of Allah but no muslims does things in the name of prophet when it comes to war.

[tsunami]

I created the thread for this song...somebody renamed the thread...thats not my fault Jovan.

Anyway, what the big deal anyway?

Do you want me to make a new thread about it, and waste the forums bandwidth for something so trivial, ill do it.

No probs.

[tsunami]

Oh jovan, come on, man, you know exactly what i mean, and you are able to understand perfectly what am talking about.

Just leave the technicalities out of this.


You want to delete everything here, go on, ill make a new thread about this song, which in my opinion deserves a place in this forum.


Ofc, its in the name of Allah(GOD), how many wars have we fought in the name of GOD, (Christ vs Mohammed)..Mohammed vs Yahve...YAhve vs Christ.

If Muslims fight in the name of Alllah, the christians and not in the name of Mohammed, then why do they fight for the same GOD?


CAUSE ALLAH means GOD...and GOD means ALLAH.

SO its improper to say that the religious wars are in the name of ALLAH or in the name of GOD, cause its the same bloody EXISTENCE>

Therefore in the name of Mohammed is the proper way of saying it.

[Bunjevac]

Song for Serbia. Didn't Yanni do something like that during the bombing, mind you he seems to dedicate his songs to everything.