Hilarious F.Y.R.O.M. propaganda..check it out.

[tsunami]

www.mymacedonia.net/links/manaki.htm

A Skop is shouting: " the first cameramen on the Balkans were 'Macedonians'". When i visited the link he posted, i couldnt stop laughing. :P

Notice the pitiful attempt of skops to avoid mentioning Avdela was a greek-Vlach village. What is even more ludicrus is the modification of their greek names from Ioannis (Yannakis) and Miltos Manakias into ...Yanaki Manaki and...Milton Manaki! Of course there couldnt be any mention about the films of Manakias bros titled "Sowers" and "Customs and Traditions Of Makedonia"!! :P

Check also the line about their grandmother "There, they "immortalized" their 114 year old grandmother, Despina"

More about the two bros, along with their personal photos in Avdela in the following links:

APPLIED ANALYSIS I (http://www.math.upatras.gr/~panos/EnglVersion/HistA.html)
APPLIED ANALYSIS I (http://www.math.upatras.gr/~panos/GreekVersion/Laografic.html)


In other words 2 greeks from Makedonia, made 2 films about the Customs and the Traditions of Makedonia(ofc the Greek one) and the Skops think that it was about their Macedonia.:doh:

Click on the links to learn more.:D


:hysterica

[tsunami]

Oh man, some people have lost completely their self-respect.

I am wondering arent they scared, when someone finds out and uncovers their idiocy.

It must be that they are either too stupid to realize themselves, and they do it by accident.

Or they have lost their self-respect completely and do it anyway.


I would say both, which one do you believe is the case?

[tsunami]

by family Samuel was Macedonian as his fortress is in Ohrid but I have read that he was in constant conflict with the Byzantine Emperor Basil II who was part of the Macedonian dynasty (rulers of Byzantine empire) and I cannot understand why two Macedonians would fight each other-there has to be more to the story. It is also shown in many sites that Samuel was "Bulgarian" and his empire was Bulgarian but this has many critics and has been disproven. However, why would Basil II be called the "Bulgar Slayer"?. I am very informed about what the Ancients did and what the current times are like and even the fact that we fougth for the freedom of the people that have now betrayed us (Greece,many others). But the truth about Samuel and Basil II and the Macedonian dynasty of the Byzantien empire has eluded me on many occasions and I desire for further and complete knowledge. And I think that a map outlining the borders of euope in 976 AD would be helpful. To me this issue and time period in Macedonian history seems to be not celebrated as much and known little about , it seems unusual considering Macedonians have made great contributions in that era as well. Any information and any thoughts woudl be helpful.

The first Skopian reply:
I always thought of it as a Macedoniana civil war


:hysterica

The second Skopian reply by our friend "The Macedonian":


Both these figures were Macedonians , Byzantine/Roman and Bulgar were not ethnic titles in the 10th century, they were imperial titles linked with two Balkan Empires. 19th century writers from Macedonia consider these people as their ancestors.


:hysterica


I wonder, i wonder how much self-respect is left in there......

[WisdomSeeker]

Milton Manaki??

Haha, ''Milton,pass me the salt please..."

:worthy:O.o

[airwings]

Brothers Manakis(Yannakis and Miltiades Manakis)were known Monastiriotes and of course Macedonians (not macedoncis).Even today theirs living home is located in Fardy region at Monastiri(Bitola).

The oximoron is that the Skopjans claimed theirs Slavic origin by call them as Aromanian!!!

Of course in FYROM and specially in Monastiri everyone that speak Greek-Vlach dialect as mother tonque is Makedonchi-Aromanian !!!!

anyway the Maniatis brothers are wold-known as

The Greek pioneers of the Balkanic cinema

and were proud of theirs Greek origin..Actually were the personnal cameramen of the Royal family of Greece(after 1913)

[airwings]

I wonder, i wonder how much self-respect is left in there......
They found the respect by discovering the lies of theirs propagandistic education system.:book:

[HairyandHorny]

Or they have lost their self-respect completely and do it anyway.

tsu as u yourself are aware, the losing of self-respect is not nationality specific

i cant explain otherwise that in the macedonia forum/site where "airwings" rules, at least one moderator is a regular in stormfront forum with >800 posts (and at least two other forumeers) and that doesnt seem to trouble the satrap of the forum, while the hypocrite was more than bothered when i objected to his nationalistic made up cases

...oh and that airwings co-moderator is so smart that he has placed the link of macedonia site on his sig in the stormfront!

so some hypocrite greeks should also start reclaiming there lost self-respect sooner than later

[Thorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9VjrbkgI4

Every time I see this I laugh even more and more :D :D

Do you recognise the woman? :trampolin :trampolin

[tsunami]

LOL, ofc we do thorn.

Anyway, may i ask you...

Why do you find it so hard to name your country New Macedonia or North Macedonia or Skopja?

Nobody ever had a problem with non-Greks calling themselves Macedonians, bottom line you have lived in the region as well, and you are entitled of calling yourselves, however nota sa national term mate, cause it is very undemocratic. And it cause irredentism and nationalism.

Do you think that this stubbornness will get you anywhere?

[Thorn]

Why do you find it so hard to name your country New Macedonia or North Macedonia or Skopja?

Nobody ever had a problem with non-Greks calling themselves Macedonians, bottom line you have lived in the region as well, and you are entitled of calling yourselves, however nota sa national term mate, cause it is very undemocratic. And it cause irredentism and nationalism.

look friend, I can't understand why are you still not bored of that issue...2/3 of the world recognise us as Macedonia...Ask a man from every part of this planet about Macedonia, they won't say Greece or France...they all recognise our country by the name Macedonia...Even the countries that we are not yet recognised by the name Macedonia, most of them use the word Macedonia, not fyrom or whatever...When they say they are going to Macedonia, they mean they are going to Skopje, Ohrid, Struga...etc....The people here will never give up of their name, nobody realises that...nobody here doesn't want to change his name...not even me. It is not about stubborness...it is about reality...Calling myself by my name, doesn't make me a nationalist. I am Macedonian, but the term nationalism
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism) is more used for other cases...I don't say that there is only Macedonia and no other country in the world, or that the Balkans is ours, or that I hate the people that are making difficulties to my country...I don't!

Sooner or later you will realise too that this is an issue of two governments, not of whole the world, and sooner that it is settled, it would be better for the both countries. Whatever you will call us, we still going to be your nearest neighbour...and in that situation, I can't see why you are still pushing this over when we can be trading, acting friendly, help ourself...and lots of stuff....

I just want to tell you one thing, no matter how long this issue will exist, we still going to be Macedonians living in the Republic of Macedonia, and you will be Greeks, living in Greece...

I don't wan't to hurt nobody's identity and I don't want to be misunderstood...I don't think of you that you are evil persons, I don't have any problems with Greeks...But this "name" thing is going on my nerves....stop the nationalism already...it is very yoke-ish(no offence)

Did I get you my point?:victory:

Regards.

[Thorn]

Bulgaria and Serbia, recognised Macedonia as Macedonia, Macedonians as Macedonians, Macedonian language as Macedonian language and Macedonian letter as Macedonian letter...

Still in 1997 Macedonia signed a contract with Bulgaria for no territorial pretensions for the Pirin part of Macedonia, admitting the crime that Bulgaria made to Macedonians in the last 200 years...that is settled...

[tsunami]

Thorn you didnt understand me.

I already told, ok you are entitled to the name but just as everybody is, its not your own, mate, its everybodys and especially the Greeks.The reasons are very obvious, lets not go there again.

Why so much stubbornnees about a countrys name? You can call your country as you like and still consider yourselves macedonians, it is not very hard to do.

Anyway, Thorn am not up for repeating myself on the reasons, there are so many threads, with all the reasons as to why you cant call your country Macedonia.

Why so much stubborness Thorn?

[tsunami]

Take a look at this thread, doesnt this thread cause annoyance and discontent among your people?

Does it feel nice worshipping Greek heroes?

[Thorn]

Now, you are trying to provoke me, but it's ok, I won't fall for that. ;)

You were right when you said not to repeat ourselves, so, I am just going to say that Macedonia and Macedonians will never give up their history, no matter how much you want to be yours..."Without history, there is no future"...Peace.

P.S.
I really don't want to go through this once again, ok? There are a lot of threads in this forum, there is not just history and politics...look on the bright side a little...

I am Macedonian and I am from Macedonia, and still I can't see how is that threatening or imperils you(and Greece)...

[tsunami]

Thorn am not trying to provoke you here.

I am just trying to get to know your way of thinking.

Macedonia is in Greece mate, your country is Peonia and Dardania. And noone told you that you cant be Macedonian, every person has the right to self-detremination, but nations do not have the right to steal from others. NAtions are not alloed to use the others national symbols.

How did it fell when Fyrom abandoned the Vergibna star? How does it fell that in every sinlge thread, in every single forum, in every single history book, your conatioals enjoy ridiculation?

Doesnt that tell you something? Doesnt that give a feeling of discontent to abandon this cursed teemr once for all which has cause only problems to you.

Because of it, you lost you true identity. Because of it you are ridiculed every single time you express your ideal. Because of it your economy went back to the middle ages when we emabrgoed you. Because of it, your governement is lying in front of your face, when they tell you that "Nimitz was shown enough culture for today" And at the same time they deny their connection with Macedonia in the international press?

Really mate, your case and your tolerance with your governemnt is unique.

[tsunami]

Man, claiming Alexander can be "ok" in a way. He is dead, and many people claim him.

But claiming 2 greek cameramen, whose children are still proud Greeks, or claiming Goce whose children are proud Bulgarians?

How does it feel? Please tell me.

[Anastazija]

Why do you find it so hard to name your country New Macedonia or North Macedonia or Skopja?

Why do you find it so hard to understand that we don't feel like New Macedonians or North Macedonians or Skopians? Jesus Christ, you guys are obsessed, aren't you? If you all were so sure as you are telling here you are, why do you make such a great pressure on Macedonia?! Can't you just let us "live with our dreams"? LOL!

[WisdomSeeker]

Aww.. yes,i like that idea!!

Let you live with your dreams? Why not let the Albanians in your country live with their dreams either?

If you know what i mean;)

Seriously now,the pressure on your country will stop,in the moment you will drop claiming things and culture that are not your own my lady. It would be unacceptable to let you ''day dream''

And since we are talking about Macedonia,If living in Macedonia for 500 years (and just that) makes you Macedonian then you have to accpet that all peoples who have lived for that long time in Macedonia, are Macedonian either: Greeks, Turks, Albanians, Jews, Bulgarians .... right ??

Then the term Macedonian is geographic, right?

Then what is your ethnic name?

Answer this question,if you dare.

[tsunami]

How does it fell Anastazija?

Do you feel nice about the Manaki Brothers? Do you feel nice about Goce?

Do you feel nice about Alexander, who himself said that he is a Hellena?

How does it feel? To worship foreign heroes?

[Balozi]

tsunami i would ask the same to you... how does it feel? :roll:

it must not feel very well since all your recent to medieval heroes were actually albanians :roll:... i guess this is why you're stuck in the ancient times?

[Anastazija]

Macedonia is not a geographic name dude, and you do know the same.
Okey, if you insist, we will go through this once again:
If Filip was Greek, why was he fighting against Greeks?
Manaki Brothers and Goce Delcev were Macedonians.
Oh, sorry, are they your heroes? Sorry than, they are all yours, you can worship them as long as you want! Lol, funny people!

[WisdomSeeker]

tsunami i would ask the same to you... how does it feel? :roll:

it must not feel very well since all your recent to medieval heroes were actually albanians :roll:... i guess this is why you're stuck in the ancient times?

like who exactly Balozi? Lets debate on the heroes of Greek independance...... OOPS did i say Greek and not Albanian?

LOL.

[Balozi]

haha yes... well... i guess the greek brainwashing machine did its job well :roll:

the same way you laugh at fyr-macedonians claims to ancient macedonia i laugh at your claims to arvanites being greeks :rofl:

[Kula]

A foreigner was asking me about the Balkans and said "Why is it so difficult for the people there to accept that they have had at one time common history".

[WisdomSeeker]

haha yes... well... i guess the greek brainwashing machine did its job well :roll:

the same way you laugh at fyr-macedonians claims to ancient macedonia i laugh at your claims to arvanites being greeks :rofl:


And i laugh at your view which regards blood and not national conscioussness as ancestry :trampolin :common051 :D :doh: :roll:

Wake up!

[Balozi]

and i laugh at your ignorance... read 1911 britannica plz

[tsunami]

Balozi, why do you want to openthe same ridiculae fronts again and again.

Let me see, Lakon ridiculed this statement scientifically, WS, Airwings did the same.

Personally i explained to you my opinion, which is very unbiased, and very respectful towards the Albanians.

Once more dear, the Arvanites in the Greek army fought valiantly for the greek independence, we pay them our respects, we recognize the fact that htey are Arvanites, we do not claim them as Greeks.

However, they claim themselves that they are Greeks at the moment.

As you know i have some Arvanite blood inside me 1/16 to be accurate, i never deny anything mate.


trying to parallelise the Arvanites with the Fyromians, you only damage the image of your ancestors who gave their blood for freedom from the Ottomans.

[tsunami]

OOPS did i say Greek and not Albanian?

LOL.

:hysterica

Good old days....

[tsunami]

Macedonia is not a geographic name dude, and you do know the same.
Okey, if you insist, we will go through this once again:
If Filip was Greek, why was he fighting against Greeks?
Manaki Brothers and Goce Delcev were Macedonians.
Oh, sorry, are they your heroes? Sorry than, they are all yours, you can worship them as long as you want! Lol, funny people!
Another Fyromian, good old laughs are back.

Dear Anastazija, as it seems your mentality will keep the same old-broken record.

I am truly glad that you are back cause i really missed these good old laughs.


:hysterica

Alexander was ...Manaki brother was.... Goce was....everything you say so dear, sure sure. Then i guess th e world got it wrong. You know what they the ancient Greeks used to say about your case:

......to dis eksamartein...

=the second sin= one coincidence might just be coincidence, twice it becomes a sin.

In other words, Alexander being Fyromian, might be just a simple misjudgement by you people, we can forgive that, but twice and thrice, and Goce, And Manaki, and every single one, it is ridiculous.

[WisdomSeeker]

and i laugh at your ignorance... read 1911 britannica plz

Do you know the Declaration of the Greek Independance Balozi signed by the Arvanites among the rest and what does it say?

For what whom and why did they fight? And it is you who is calling me ignorant:roll:

Stop stating absurdities,claiming ancestry by blood is long passed and is regarded as past century's mentality.
It does not make you look wise in the forum.

Anastazija,what a nice greek name you have!

Too bad you are so keen on believing silly things:)

[..Jovan..]

Goce Delcev
It's the ev which we can know it is Slavic, i think most Greek surnames end with 'ious'

[WisdomSeeker]

It's the ev which we can know it is Slavic, i think most Greek surnames end with 'ious'

actually...NOT:D

They end with -OPOULOS, -ATOS -IKHS, -AKOS -AKHS

-IDHS -OU ,depending on the place of origin,profession,or social status.

Goce Delcev to me is a typical Bulgarian name. Like the rest ones which end in -OV;)

[tsunami]

Ev and ov, is more like Bulgarian, but this has nothing to do with Goce, goce said himself what he is in his letters Her is one of them to Nikola Maleshevski. I have posted this and some other letters before Jovan.

"Sofia, 01.05.1899,

Kolyo (Nikola),

..I have received all letters which were sent by or through you. May the dissents and cleavages not frighten you. It is really a pity, but what can we possibly do when we ourselves are Bulgarians and all suffer from the same disease! If this disease had not existed in our forefathers who passed it on to us, we wouldn't have fallen under the ugly sceptre of the Turkish sultans..."


His family livees in Bulgaria and has always declared Bulgarian.


Plus the Greek surnames vary according to area.

My surname ends in -akos, which defines that i am from Mani in Lakonia.



As for the Manaki brothers, the links about their ancestry in the the first post.


Ans as abut Phillip and Alexander one single quote will do the job:

As Alexander the Great says himself:

"Holy shadows of the dead, I’m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions."

Alexander the Great addressing the dead Hellenes (Greeks) of the battle of Chaeronia. (Curtius Rufus, "Historia")


Is that enough for you dear Anastazia?

[Alalzia]

The past is the past the important is not to find who your ancient/medieval heroes was but who are you and so far fyromians do nothing to prove their worth.
There are plenty of succesfull albanian people in here , there loads of bulgarian proffessors in greek universities ( my proffessor in journalism was bulgarian, also head of Associated press office in Athens back in early 90's), where are they?