Imvros and Tenedos Video

[dimitris]

Imvros and Tenedos Video in three parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPgxdaaMd_4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58a8vc0UKQ0&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUhUhJW8fI&mode=related&search=

[tsunami]

Very good documentary.

The mosque built on top of the cemetery was the cruelest part, imo.

And the Open-prison is utterly tragelaphic.

The reson why Greeks want Turkey to join the EU, is cause the Eu will assume control of the humanitarian law of Turkey, and it will disallow the RTurkish army to terrorize the Aegean, and violate people's inheritance.


A must watch.

[Alalzia]

so cool 70m people to fear and terrorize 300 greeks, so nice we didn't do the same in Kos and Rhodos, sometimes im amazed on how much we rock.

[tsunami]

Its very sad Alalzia, they did the same in Cyprus, and they dare to ask for support in the EU.

And we give it to them, cause we want the baby's milk not to be too hot and start crying again.

[Attila]

I admire you Greeks
only listening the opinion of one Greek is enough to understand the rest of the whole Greek Nation

Is there anyone in your country who thinks in different way? even your words are becoming identical when it comes to accuse Turkey for something

could you give me some tips about it? I am really serious cuz there is so much democracy in my country every individual has a different point of view some says you were right some says you committed attrocities
some other guy says you were innocent or guilty
some people say both of us guility or both of us innocent
some others say we(both greeks and turks) were used by greater powers of the era and fallen to greed

Why I never hear these kind of opinions from Greeks? howcome the attitude of all Greeks I met can be always the same

Tell me the secret please? I want to know is it the nationalism that ties you this much?

I am surprised why our so called "DEEP STATE" does not organize these kind of propagandic documentaries

[Attila]

and the disgusting comments of Greeks for the videos are incosistent

They are accusing Turks (as usual) for genocide however in the following sentence nearly all of them are talking about killing all the Turks

I have to know how your policy makes people united like this? it can not be only the videos but family, schools,military service, other media, political parties
all of them are saying exactly the same words only because of this strong unity in terms of attitude towards others
I have to admit that sometimes I say "I should have been Greek"
really impressive welldone

[Alalzia]

If you take it statistically Imvros had a population of 12.000 (before balkan wars) and it is same size with Milos who also had 12.000 inhabitants , sure small islands can not keep their population ( at least in the past) so a decline is (was) natural ; but if you look at 2001 census Milos has 5.000 all season inhabitants where Imvros has 300 , something happened there , no ?
At the same time Kos has a strong turkish community of 1000 or maby 1500 people (and an overall population of ~35.000) , if you have free time visit them and talk about how their lives are ; i bet most of them will tell you that they are so oppressed that they are forced to spent their winter holidays in brazil , thailand or australia.
I think the difference is clear.

[Attila]

What should we do if they want to leave? should we say if you leave the iland we will shoot you?

I was there with my girlfirend 6-7 months ago the Greek community was very happy
I don't know if your islands are mixed like ours but there is an island culture in Turkey
The only stranger and minortiy in the island the ones who doesn't live there
Thats why I don't think the Turkish community would led anything happen to Greeks in the island

There is only 1 young Greek boy left there and he is runing a honey and herb shop I think
soon or later the Greek community will be a history on the island inevitably
the conditions of tenedos is too hard to live a descent life
sometimes they loose the connection with mainland for weeks
most of the inhabitants of the island has a house in the mainland canakkale

I always say this,trust me the majority of Greeks in Turkey has nothing to do with your attitude they are constructive and friendly why should we want them to leave. plus their historical heritage and existence makes these places colourful

Ok here is what I am gonna do I will make a video this summer in Tenedos I will make a list of your questions to them and they will answer in Greek
did you like this proposal? I will spend one week there in any way :)

[Alalzia]

Sounds nice ,well, i do have some friends in Istanbul both turks and greeks and since one of them is traveling salesmen we use him to send gifts to eachother . First time he was in athens together with his wife and daughter i visited him and one of the first things he said to me was that our turkish common friends were nice people "not like the average turkish f*cks" , this was his words not mine....so long for constructive and friendly.Of course i have only met one family from Istanbul and i am not trying to make a blanket statement here.

Believe me i (politically) belong to the left and have no reason to separate people because of their nationality as i have no reason to defend the way greek government treats minorities here (from sexual , to religious , to national or political ones) ; i also do not eat nationalistic crap . I just find it strange why Imvros and Tenedos greek population abandoned the islands accusing local government for crimes and mistreatment.My family comes from islands too and i know that hard conditions can force people to move as my family did but they never ever b*tch about anyone kicking them out, it was their decision; it feels like Imvrians didn't had a choice but to move.

[Attila]

if you were them you would move too

1- You are Greek but you hold Turkish passport and you are treated as Turk everywhere which is not so convinient at all

2-low life standart in Turkey

3-You are a minority and descendants of an old enemy

4-That is your homeland but only because of Turks have it in the border you have to deal with the first 3 problems

5-You don't want to do military service here in Turkey



6-You feel you are out of world when your life is stuck in a small island. Turkish government policies does few to improve the life standarts in the islands altough the majority is Turkish

7- you have the chance to live in a much better country that you can be a majority treated well by holding their passport

see my friend I would leave the island too thats what even the young Turkish guys are doing
the leave the island to study in university then they never come back
it is not dramatical as they dictate people in those propagandic BS

[Alalzia]

Although i would like to agree on that since those are reasonable points population stats show significant rise in population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imvros) of the island (not to mention new villages appearing after 1970).
On being greek and treated like turkish i bet this is not the issue with greek minority in turkey as being a turk is not a problem in greece since 11% of the population are immigrants.
As i have post in various threads propaganda is the food of the masses , specially for masses horrified by the way their governments operate.

[tsunami]

Attila what are you trying to prove here?

The Turkish Governement made Imvros an OPEN PRISON, theys ent the prisoners to freely walk on the island and terrorize, the Turkish governement expopriated thousands of square kilometres and gave them to Turkish settlers, te Turkish Governement took away the right of inheritance from the Greeks of the Islands, closed down all schools, destroyed half of the churches, built a mosque on top of a CEMETERY fcs.

Took away administration rights, what on earth are you babbling about?

You did the same in Istanbul, only that in Istanbul there were so many observers of the atrocities that your gov finally admitted that they caused the Pogrom.

From the Treaty of Lausanne, it clearly says the People of Imvros, tenedos and Istanbul will be PROTECTED, RESPECTED.

The people of Thrace the Muslims Minority will be protected and respected by Greece. And what you say about us not recognising the Muslims as Turks, sorry but the Treaty does not allow us to do so, and besides there are people in the Muslim Minority that are not Turks. The Treaty is clear the Greeks of Imvros-tenedos and Istanbul Protected. The Muslims of Thrace protected.

We protect our Muslims, you destroyed the Greeks.

Istanbul Greeks destroyed in the Pogrom which you ADMITTED, Imvros and Tenedos Greeks destroyed by all the facts mentioned above and in the documentary.

Muslim Minority Increases Steadily, and the worst is that your gov wants us to recognize them as Turks, when they themselves know, that it is impossible to break the Treaty....and delete the term Muslims. But you have broken it so many times for destroying, not offering additional rights, that you believe that we are such pussies, that we will break it and offer you more reasons to make your claims:doh:. Do you honestly believe that we are that Stupid? And cowards?

Do you get the Irony?

[dimitris]

Help on way for Imvros, Tenedos


The few remaining Greek inhabitants of the northeastern Aegean islands of Imvros and Tenedos, known as Gokceada and Bozcaada respectively in Turkish, are set to receive a boost this week from the Council of Europe, Sunday’s Kathimerini has learned.

Swiss MP Andreas Gross is due to deliver before the council on Friday the findings of a study he has conducted on the fate of the dwindling Greek communities of the islands, which were ceded to Turkey in accordance with the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

Gross has visited both islands and was able to see for himself that less than 300 Greeks remain on Imvros, compared to more than 9,000 in 1912, while there are just over 20 Greeks on Tenedos, compared to more than 5,000 in 1912.

According to the report seen by Sunday’s Kathimerini, Gross is due to recommend a range of measures designed to revive the Greek communities on the islands and to help many of those who left the islands in the years following their ceding to Turkey to reclaim property that was subsequently appropriated.

The Council of Europe will welcome the fact that the Turkish government has decided to change its stance on the Greek communities on the islands and has declared its intention to rebuild Orthodox churches.

Gross, however, will call on Turkey to take a number of additional steps, including the reopening of a Greek school on Imvros, which he thinks would prompt many Greeks who originate from the island to return there.

Gross additionally recommends the return of any land or homes that have been appropriated. The rapporteur will also argue that Turkey must ensure that any other personal fortunes that have gone missing should be returned to the relatives of those who lost their possessions.


Link (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100008_23/06/2008_97912)

[Александар Маке]

And what you say about us not recognising the Muslims as Turks, sorry but the Treaty does not allow us to do so, No,your state of mind doesn't allow you that.It's very simple.All you need to do is recognise that you have Turks living in you demoNcratic country.Dont give me some bullshit about treaties not allowing you to recognise Turks.

[dimitris]

No,your state of mind doesn't allow you that.It's very simple.All you need to do is recognise that you have Turks living in you demoNcratic country.Dont give me some bullshit about treaties not allowing you to recognise Turks.

There is a reason why the Turks,Pomaks and the Gypsys are defined as a "Muslim minority"(stipulated in the Lausanne treaty).If countries wants to recognize a minority or not is up to themselves.Has Turkey recognized the Kurds in their country as a "Kurdish minority"?

Pretty ironic that Turkey wants other countries to recognize "Turkish minorites" when they don`t even recognize the Kurds as a "Kurdish minority".

However as I said before, I have no problem with self-definition.