Interviews with Ali Pasha

[gentius]

Interviews with Ali Pasha in the autumn of 1812.
"The Danish Institute at Athens"
link:
amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Interviews-Ali-Pacha-Joanina-Particulars/dp/8772888407/sr=1-1/qid=1171801743/ref=sr_1_1/103-2798940-1144607?ie=UTF8&s=books)

The book is influenced by greek censure (in some part of it)
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/8772888407.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[tsunami]

Are you gonna tell us, whats in it?

I can guess, something like 90% of Greece is Arvanite and Vlach in 1812.

[gentius]

Are you gonna tell us, whats in it?

I can guess, something like 90% of Greece is Arvanite and Vlach in 1812.


I don't tell you nothing but author, the facts tell us that and not balkan facts with fixed history!, I won't you to be other than that you feel you are?, we live in democracy

bit of it

http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/800x600ACFKIAh.ai2I.gif

[tsunami]

I am pretty sure, that you cannot tell what i am, neither can this book.

I read your passage, that women wearing this calotte, are Albanian or better Arvanite women, around Livadia and Beotia. Albanians can be found also in Asia Minor and Egypt. Ok.

Gentius, the Arvanites used to form a part of the ethnographic map of Greece, there is no doubt about it. So?

[gentius]

No tsunami, as I say I won't you to understand the book or me, because it is to hart with overdone brain (adult brain)!

I like that my countrymen se/read it


I am pretty sure, that you cannot tell what i am, neither can this book.

Maybe, if I know your real surname

Gentius, the Arvanites used to form a part of the ethnographic map of Greece, there is no doubt about it. So?
More than that

[tsunami]

Some people here know my surname, but unfortunately, i have made my research, and i know exactly what i am, so no need to play that you know it all.

I have a friend called Lialios, undoubtebly an Arvanite surname. He lives excatly next door to me in greece. I want you to try to tell him, that he is Albanian in front of his face. ;)

You guys have to realize, that the Arvanites, the Albanians living in Greece in the 13-19th century(not the Albanian migrants of the past 10 years) do not even request minority status, do not want to be associated with the Albanians, they know they used to be part of them, and they do not deny it. But they still do not wish to be related with the Albanians. Now for the reasons, i have tried to explain them before, but i am not the perfet one to do so, maybe an Albanian or an Arvanite would be.

[gentius]

No my friend I won't to tell one Arbanite or like you misspell it Arvanit, that hi is Albanian,I know many Arbanit/Arberesh in Italy with Italian national feelings and they can be what they like to be!, It's for todays Albanians.
We know that we have blood-brothers in Greece,Turkey,Italy,Bosna,Montenegro,Cro atia,Serbia,
Ukraine,Romania,Moldavia,Macedonia,Bulga ria and so one, and assimilated.You know before, for 2century ago wasn't "some" nationalistic feelings

[gentius]

next illustration

http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/AlbanianSoldier.gif

[Slavs]

We know that we have blood-brothers in Greece,Turkey,Italy,Bosna,Montenegro,Cro atia,Serbi a,
Ukraine,Romania,Moldavia,Macedonia,Bulga ria and so one, and assimilated.You know before, for 2century ago wasn't "some" nationalistic feelings

Bulgaria :signs029: i never know we have albanians in Bulgaria and the countings don`t show albanians also

[gentius]

Bulgaria :signs029: i never know we have albanians in Bulgaria and the countings don`t show albanians also

There is not to much Albanians in todays Bulgaria, most of them have bean assimilated or declared like Turks, Albanians was the last nationalistic nation in Balkans, try to read books(Old Bulgarian books),search in google.com with Arbanasi,Arbanassi,Arbanashko and Арбанаси which means Albanian-s so you can fine mostly place names? and there is Radio Sofia with local Albanian-Geg dialect.


Link to the larger pic-s:
http://www.balkanium.com/gallery/v/users/gentius/AlbanianSoldier.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIn dex=1

[Kula]

Arbanassi (the one above Turnovo) in particular isn't linked with Albanians, it has a very long history. But I agree there were some Albanians around here, there are some surnames like Aranaudov etc. I know some of them came during the Ottoman times to serve as militia. Of course they were later assimilated

[gentius]

No Kula i have read Bulgarian books, veliko turnovo was inhabited by Albanians and mostly by orthodox Albanians who practiced Greek rite, many of them was mercenaries paid by Bulgarian Cars (year 1216).Albanian militia/brigands was in late 18c. and most of them returned home or in another fronts.You have many books in German language translated by Bulgarians and you can fine the same architecture in Dukagjini region at Kosova/Albania.Many Albanians have the slav/Bulgarian surnames and they are ragged-Albanians, in Palermo,Italy, 98% of them know/registered like Albanians/Arberesh but they can't Albanian, 90% of them have Italian surnames.

Albanians was religious people and they fight/defended religion, not nation.

[Kula]

One of the versions about the origins of Arbanassi was that it was settled by landlords and nobles from the Albanian lands and this version sounds more plausible because it was considered an aristocratic place. If they were mercenaries they wouldn't live in the town itself I think, but I can't comment on this I haven't read about it.

[gentius]

One of the versions about the origins of Arbanassi was that it was settled by landlords and nobles from the Albanian lands and this version sounds more plausible because it was considered an aristocratic place. If they were mercenaries they wouldn't live in the town itself I think, but I can't comment on this I haven't read about it.

Yes you are right but it was settled about 15cenury by Albanian landlords,nobles and merchants.
-Mercenaries come about 1216 and maybe before.
-Albanian brigands of 18 c. many of them arrive to Bulgaria,Greece to work for salary and to buy Albanian national costume, which was to expensive, and if they was in regular Ottoman military service and if they had good luck to survive (nine year), than they was free of/to pay taxes.


http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/Ali_Pasha's_hunting-barge,drawn_byL.Dupre,_Butrint_in_March_ 1819.Details_showing_Ali's_Albanian_guar dsmen.The_gennadius_library,Athens1.jpg

[Slavs]

Kula i have read in bg wiki that they spoke greek

[Kula]

I think that was because the later influence of the patriarchate, that was the case with some non-Greek places around Bulgaria.

gentius some of the nobles and aristocrats back then were Slavic-Bulgarians and maybe that's why they settled there

[Toskaliq 8711]

Actually, up into the Ottoman era, Arbasani was considered to have been inhabited by "Albanians and Greeks". The two moved in from areas of Epirus.

[Thorn]

http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/Ali_Pasha's_hunting-barge,drawn_byL.Dupre,_Butrint_in_March_ 1819.Details_showing_Ali's_Albanian_guar dsmen.The_gennadius_library,Athens1.jpg

Are this guys Illyrians? :)