Eurovision 2007.

[RoboCop]

Ok, it was time already to make this thread.

Be welcome to give link of the your country's song this year or the song you like.

Serbian song: Marija Šerifović-"Molitva" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsuXDkIxOxc&mode=related&search=)

Tomorrow are semi-finals.

These are performers http://www.eurovision.tv/content/view/545/281/
Most of the balkanian countries are in the semi-finals.


These are known performers of the finals http://www.eurovision.tv/content/view/546/282/
In the finals are already Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Greece.

So good luck to all.:victory:

[RoboCop]

Ok I've noticed that all songs you can find here http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/mediaplayer/


Odds:

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=OT1648789 ,semifinals

https://www.bwin.com/betsnew.aspx?SportID=60 ,semifinals and finals


Serbia is one of the favourites.:)

[Attila]

I wish a long patience while you are listening the Turkish song of this year especially when the part comes with southeastern style of dancing...
You are always free to switch the channel

it couldn't be more embarrasing from my point of view oh I forgot the rubbish we happened to send last year :D

shake it up "shekerim"=shake it my sugar I wonder which genious came with that idea to mix 1 Turkish word in the song which is in English for the rest

oh my god I just whatched the eurovision mix of the song this is a lot worse and embarrassing:(:(
We present the Turkish justin timberlake

[Balozi]

i think we're gonna suck

[tsunami]

We suck for sure, but sometimes those cocky "shake it up" make their way to the Euro-Trip, who knows, i havent listened to any others besides the Greek one, cause am not watching a lot of TV, so i cant say anything yet.

[RoboCop]

We suck for sure, but sometimes those cocky "shake it up" make their way to the Euro-Trip, who knows, i havent listened to any others besides the Greek one, cause am not watching a lot of TV, so i cant say anything yet.

you can watch them on that link I gave

[Balozi]

pfff i knew it. we didn't make it :badday:

[tsunami]

pfff i knew it. we didn't make it :badday:
i was watching it last night but i fell asleep:

My favorites from last night as i remember were:



Albania
Serbia
Hungary
Poland

Albania and Serbia had the best for my taste.

[Kula]

I liked Cyprus and Georgia. I didn't have the nerve to see the rest after Austria there may have been some good ones there.

The Macedonian chick Karolina was one of the hottest there, I didn't even pay attention to the song.

[Balozi]

The Macedonian chick Karolina was one of the hottest there, I didn't even pay attention to the song.
who did? :P

[tsunami]

who did? :P
LOL, indeed.

[RoboCop]

Quite opposite for the serbian "chick".:whistling

[Balkanite]

Quite opposite for the serbian "chick".:whistling

ohh so very true ... rofl, although i can say Marija Serifovic has a great song, but my support and love goes to Marija Sestic, alittle bias perhaps but perhaps not :P

[..Jovan..]

My criticism so far,
Bosnia - good
Spain - gay
Belarus - random
Ireland - good
Finland - weird
Macedonia - good, probably my favourite
Slovenia - good
Hungary - not bad
Latvia - alright
Greece - a little cheesy but not entirely bad
Georgia - why are they here? they aren't european
Sweden - majorly gay
French - another gay theme

I have to admit the Balkan artists have offered the best so far.

What is up with those random adverts inbetween songs?

[..Jovan..]

So Ukraine decided to enter people they found in mental aslyums...


Quite opposite for the serbian "chick".:whistling
You sure she is female?

[dimitris]

Congratulations Serbia!

:victory:

[airwings]

Bravo Serbia:clap:

[Kula]

Yet again Georgia was great, nice looking chick, nice song. Russia was also good, I even liked Turkey's song ... it has a very nice beat and if it wasn't for the shakirim bit and that random ethno part it would have been pretty cool.

[Attila]

Yet again Georgia was great, nice looking chick, nice song. Russia was also good, I even liked Turkey's song ... it has a very nice beat and if it wasn't for the shakirim bit and that random ethno part it would have been pretty cool.

couldn't be agreed more
nice analysis Kula
shekerim and the random ethnic part ruined everything

[Kula]

The background music was top quality though ... one of the few songs that was really catchy. The guy was actually trying to do something of a Robbie Williams (rather than Justin Timberlake) impression.

[RoboCop]

Bravo Marija Šerifović!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :trampolin

Nice song and deserved win.



You sure she is female?
No.


I'm just glad Ukraine didn't win, that song was awful, I was feeling sick watching that.

Besides Serbia, I was also supporting FYR Macedonia(:D ), and Slovenia. Those two songs (and singers O:-) ) were great. Also Bosnia had a good song, Belarus was good and Moldova also (nice singer,too :D lol).

And you can talk what you want, but I can't get that shekerim beat out of my head.:D


And if you want to win as you could see it is good if you come from ex SSSR or ex Yugoslavia. I mean this is really becomed circus. And I wouldn't let those countries which didn't came to the final to vote. I mean 40 and some countries are really too much.
And I've heard that western countries are furious because this year contest was all in eastern dominance and they want to change the rules.

[Attila]

exactly all slavic people voted for themselves acutally

and it wasn't a surprise that cyprus gave 12 yo greece
but it was a real surprise that we gave 12 to Armenia (shocking) actually and armenia gave us 0 in return

[Slavs]

eurovision is fars , the quality of the songs doest really matters
i have not watched the contestests songs actually but i force to watch the results , it was really pathetic
all the yugo countries voted for Serbia(i`m not sure for Montenegro)
Sweden voted for Finland and Finland voted vor Sweden,
the previos soviet republic splited the votes between themselfs - Russia,Ukraine,Estonia,Lathia,Litva,Bela rus ....
the strong turkish minority in England and Holland gived the vote to Turkey (i missed Germany Turkey probably ?)

i only watched the serbian song and for me it`s nothing special + the vision is terrible and if that is the best song ..... that don`t speak good for the other contestants

[..Jovan..]

Westerners vote for us, so does the Eastern block.
Eurovision hasn't been in the West for a long time.

Well done Serbia.

Did anyone see that really annoying blonde girl?

You should of heard the British commentators comments on some of the acts, like that blonde girl who was supposedly ''beauitful''.


exactly all slavic people voted for themselves acutally

True every year, Bosnia gives 12 points to either Serbia or Croatia. Then the 10 points from Bosnia always goes to Turkey and Turkey gives Bosnia 10 or 12.

[RoboCop]

i have not watched the contestests songs actually but i force to watch the results , it was really pathetic
all the yugo countries voted for Serbia(i`m not sure for Montenegro)
Montenegro, too.



the strong turkish minority in England and Holland gived the vote to Turkey (i missed Germany Turkey probably ?)


Yes, Germany to Turkey.

And I was also surprised with that 12 points to Armenia fron Turkey.

Who gave what to whom.... http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/scoreboards/2007/final.html

[tsunami]

OK, my finalists:

Bulgaria
Hungary
Serbia


Attila for Cyprus, the commentator here said:

"Oh those Cypriots, they just dont care anymore"

[Balozi]

Who gave what to whom.... http://www.eurovision.tv/addons/scor...007/final.html
does the list not contain albania or is it just me?

[Balozi]

ummm wait wtf is that list it has finland in it...
is it from the final? duh sorry

[Balozi]

ok well all i got to say is that eurovision was indifferent to me this year, dunno why

[Slavs]

ok well all i got to say is that eurovision was indifferent to me this year, dunno why

you had not miss much , atleast wast year lordi had good vision , they created show for the public
this year the serbian song just won cuz of the raw numbers


exactly all slavic people voted for themselves acutally

and it wasn't a surprise that cyprus gave 12 yo greece
but it was a real surprise that we gave 12 to Armenia (shocking) actually and armenia gave us 0 in return

well this is not trading , they are not obligated to give you points in return,but it is very sad if they didnt give you any points cuz of nationalistic reasons
but you turks don`t have the right to compain much,
since you voted for yourselfs - Germany,England,Holland...

and not all slavic countries voted for other slavs
Bulgaria give the 12 points to Greece and 8 to Armenia,but generally i agree that slavic countries voted for themselfs.Considering the fact that YU is gone i think the era of slavic dominance is comming :)
if you didnt undearstood a single word serbian i really doubth you were going to give them votes

[..Jovan..]

does the list not contain albania or is it just me?

Albania didn't qualify

[Makeveli]

:talk017: :talk017:

:gen013: :gen013: :gen013: :gen013: :gen013:

Serbia Serbia :D :D

Thanks for all the support and love :D

[RoboCop]

Slavs, hide your jealousy little better.

Look at that scoreboard list and you'll se that it isn't just raw numbers: Armenia(7), Belgium(7), Denmark (6), Finland(12), France(8), Georgia(6), Greece(4), Hungary(12), Iceland(7), Ireland(4), Moldova(5), Norway(10), Poland(8), Portugal (5), Netherlands(8), Sweden (10), Switzerland (12), Germany (8), Austria (12), Malta (8).
This is not all of non-Slavic countries which gave ponts to Serbia. So your theory is little dumb. If you didn't like the song, OK you didn't like it, you don't have the right to say that it is awful and it won only because slavic votes. If this is true than every year Slavs whould be the winners. All this theory of yours makes you little pathetic.

Serbia won :common051

[Attila]

but you turks don`t have the right to compain much,
since you voted for yourselfs - Germany,England,Holland...


in Germany yes this is true
in holland I don't have any idea
in England they voted for us cuz the dancers was from England and those people voted for the countries they go for holiday
Turkey 12
Greece 10

Do you have any idea why we voted 12 points for Armenia? it is a bit confusing
NO offence but I have just noticed that the singer of serbia was a women
she looks like the japanese guy in the Heroes serials :D

[Makeveli]

she looks like the japanese guy in the Heroes serials :D

Okay se doesn't have the "X" factor but she still won :D

[Knez_Nenad_Of_Serbia]

The Serbian singer has some Turkish roots?:O

[Kula]

ok.

[Dardani]

Few hours before the 52nd Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final serval websites among them oikotimes.com received dozens of e-mails claiming that there is a problem with the Serbian entry in the Eurovision Song Contest. We tried to contact the European Broadcasting Union on the issue but the contact was impossible due to the contest and also the accusations were made through e-mails and youtube.com videos.

Today Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet reports that the Serbian entry Molitva is not an original song as the EBU rules instruct. The song is a copy, the newspaper claims from an Albanian song, released in 2006 under the title Ndarja performed by Soni Malaj. The newspaper also presents a comparison video of the Serbian and Albanian song. You can watch the video by clicking above. In any case the alleged song from Albanian seems to have been performed in public.

So far there is no confirmation of the validity of the video by any official source nor an official answer or reaction by RTS and the European Broadcasting Union. Often winning songs are accused for plagiarism. In 1995 the Norwegian winning song was also accused but the final decision was that the song was not a plagiarism. It could be true but it could also be an attempt to demine the Serbian entry. In any case we urge you to read this story in caution.

http://www.oikotimes.com/site/index.php?id=9554

[Dardani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0WAvFh9GQ

[..Jovan..]

The Serbian singer has some Turkish roots?:O

:O :O :O .....so?

[Kula]

Sounds kind of similar indeed but the Serb song is still better.

[tsunami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0WAvFh9GQ
I dont see any similarity.

In the word molitva in the pronunciation, if this is the similarity then a lot of people are expected to laugh in the court.

The Serbs deserved to win.

Also it was a celebration of political culture, shows that Europe wants to make friends.

[Balozi]

Also it was a celebration of political culture, shows that Europe wants to make friends.
naturally, since they don't really have any :P

[Amin]

naturally, since they don't really have any

And how many friends Albania has among European countries?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0WAvFh9GQ

Sad. You Albanians really don't know how to accept the loss.

Isn't it true that some few years ago Albania gave 12 points to Serbia when Z.Joksimovic was representing it?

So what if Serbia now won. Learn to live with it, maybe you'll get Kosovo in return.;)

In my opinion, Albania had better song this year than in previous years, it's a shame that it didn't qualify to finals.

Serbia had as usual great music, and it's interesting that the singer didn't need to look like a bimbo and to show flesh with some crazy choreography to win.

I never vote but CONGRATULATIONS SERBIA:victory: you deserved it.

Have in mind that Finland gave 12 points to Serbia because they actually liked the song which got also its Finnish version.

[israel]

Forget the songs! They are all mostly crap anyway. Why do people watch Eurovision?:

1. Comedically pathetic songs;
2. Comedically pathetic dance routines and costumes;
3. Attractive performers;
4. Unbelievably unattractive performers.

If an act does not fit into one or more of these categories then it should not be in Eurovision.

I think Serbia won because they lost Kosovo.

[..Jovan..]

Dardani, so any Albanian song similar to ''Molitva'', that has similar dynamics, melody, tempo, rhythm, time signatures etc is just a rip off of an Albanian song? There millions of songs out there that share similarities like that. Second of all those to somes barely had anything in common.

[RoboCop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0WAvFh9GQ

Really sad Albanians; do you think we don't have ears?
The songs are totally different.



Serbia had as usual great music, and it's interesting that the singer didn't need to look like a bimbo and to show flesh with some crazy choreography to win.

I never vote but CONGRATULATIONS SERBIA you deserved it.

Have in mind that Finland gave 12 points to Serbia because they actually liked the song which got also its Finnish version.

Thx, Amin.:)



Forget the songs! They are all mostly crap anyway. Why do people watch Eurovision?:
Agreed.



1. Comedically pathetic songs;
2. Comedically pathetic dance routines and costumes;
3. Attractive performers;
4. Unbelievably unattractive performers.

If an act does not fit into one or more of these categories then it should not be in Eurovision.

I don't think that Serbian song fits in in 2. and 3. category. It doesn't fit in 1. either but tastes are different.


I think Serbia won because they lost Kosovo.

I suppose you're kidding. If you aren't than I remind you that Europeans were hardly thinking about political sitiuations while they were voting from their homes.

[Amin]

Guys, enough with that attractiveness or unattractiveness of the singer, it wasn't Miss contest after all. I'm sure she's aware of that. It's not good to gossip. Plus it's not nice to judge people by their looks, you are not all model types either.:D

[Amin]

Btw why Turks and Greeks have to always shake something on Eurovision?

And why Turkey got 0 from Cyprus? Are Turks from Cyprus forbidden to vote?

[Amin]

The Serbian singer has some Turkish roots?:O

It's very big possibility that you have it too.:O


:P

[RoboCop]

Guys, enough with that attractiveness or unattractiveness of the singer, it wasn't Miss contest after all. I'm sure she's aware of that. It's not good to gossip. Plus it's not nice to judge people by their looks, you are not all model types either.:D

Well I had thought that earlier, but I conclude that she could present herself much better then she did.
Appart from that she isn't miss universe, she picked awful clothes and looked like a boy. Her coreography wasn't anything special either (apart for that pretty ladies behind her:D ).
I say her win is pretty much based on the quality of the song.

[tsunami]

Btw why Turks and Greeks have to always shake something on Eurovision?

And why Turkey got 0 from Cyprus? Are Turks from Cyprus forbidden to vote?
I was asking the same question to myself about Greek and Turks shake it thingy.

About Cyprus , yes the Turks are not included in the vote since they have declared an independent State.

While the whole of Cyprus is declared as EU territory and recognizes the Cypriot Constitution which gurantees that the President must be Greek and the Vice-president Turkish and gives seats to the Turks in the Republiq.

In other words the Turks have declared a partition, and they do not participate in the Cypriot Republiq, but they are free to participate and join the EU anytime they want. Its up to them.

The EU has acccepted all of Cyprus, and the Cypriot Republiq has accepted all the Cypriots to participate, but the TRNC does not allow its people to join and has made a policy of self-isolation in order to secure her geo-strategic interests of mother Turkey.

Simply, Cyprus belongs to the EU, but the North administartion does not allow the EU acquis communitaire to be put into effect, and hence they do not vote.

[tsunami]

I was asking the same question to myself about Greek and Turks shake it thingy.

About Cyprus , yes the Turks are not included in the vote since they have declared an independent State.

While the whole of Cyprus is declared as EU territory and recognizes the Cypriot Constitution which gurantees that the President must be Greek and the Vice-president Turkish and gives seats to the Turks in the Republiq.

In other words the Turks have declared a partition, and they do not participate in the Cypriot Republiq, but they are free to participate and join the EU anytime they want. Its up to them.

The EU has acccepted all of Cyprus, and the Cypriot Republiq has accepted all the Cypriots to participate, but the TRNC does not allow its people to join and has made a policy of self-isolation in order to secure her geo-strategic interests of mother Turkey.

Simply, Cyprus belongs to the EU, but the North administartion does not allow the EU acquis communitaire to be put into effect, and hence they do not vote.
So instead of becoming EU citizens, the TRNC administartion prefers to stay under the authority of the Turkish gov, while the people? That's another question, the Turkish Cypriots have declared time and time again, that they want to be free from the TRNC administration and join the EU south, but the TRNC imposes fines, if the come into contact with other Cypriots: interesting discussion here:

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76619

Check this out a lot of interesting legal material regarding the issue.

[RoboCop]

Marija's welcome in Belgrade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjp6bjIYjs&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xbYnTnSSqs&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgmaRGktEo&mode=related&search= ,thx for the votes

[Attila]

So instead of becoming EU citizens, the TRNC administartion prefers to stay under the authority of the Turkish gov, while the people? That's another question, the Turkish Cypriots have declared time and time again, that they want to be free from the TRNC administration and join the EU south, but the TRNC imposes fines, if the come into contact with other Cypriots: interesting discussion here:

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76619

Check this out a lot of interesting legal material regarding the issue.


I thoughy it was forbidden to give any link from other forums. so that doesn't count

anyway Turkish people embraced democracy much better than Greeks thats why we have different ideas about foreign politics whereas Greeks has always the
same idea

Of course there should be different ideas

-Joining South Cyprus (NO)
-Joining EU (YES)

if you discriminate our people and put pressure on them for isolation with your strong diplomacy and giving them only one option which is to join south cyprus causing you have delutions about Turkish cypriots wants to join south cyprus :D
this is completely unethical and pathetic

[Balozi]

I think Serbia won because they lost Kosovo.
i think that too. and also because they pioneered ugly chicks in eurovision


I suppose you're kidding. If you aren't than I remind you that Europeans were hardly thinking about political sitiuations while they were voting from their homes.
balkanium gems where are you? :badday:
come on, for years now everyone is complaining that the voting is political and you say they were hardly thinking about politics?

[Amin]

Thanks Tsunami and Attila for the info.

@Robo, did you hear english dance version of Molitva?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJujPPb4KQ



and also because they pioneered ugly chicks in eurovision

And I suppose that you are mister Albania, aren't you?


Yeah sure, Finland gave 12 points only because they felt sorry for Serbian people losing Kosovo. In reality they don't give a sh*t, Serbian diaspora is very small here, most of the Finns really liked the song and this is not the first time.

Oh and how come all those Balkan countries, since they all vote for their neighbours, didn't give full points to Macedonia or Bosnia? Since both singers were more for your taste. Maybe it also has to do with quality of the songs?

Westerners are complaining about Eastern Europe but the truth is that Balkan countries always have better songs. Brits actually think that their song was good.O.o

[Amin]

England, Germany, Spain and France are each year straight in the finals, only because they are financing the ESC. If it would be by voting they would probably never get there cause their songs usually suck.



The people who are jealous because their country didn't qualify could also think about financing Eurovision.:D

[RoboCop]

i think that too. and also because they pioneered ugly chicks in eurovision

When there is song contest we send best song. And if there is beauty contest we will send most beautiful girls. Everyone knows that Serbia has plenty of those two.

No one heread of Albania in terms of that (or in terms of anything else for that matter).

God, I'm so happy that you guys are so freaking jealous. You should be cuz I just watched your song and it is one smelly crap.




come on, for years now everyone is complaining that the voting is political and you say they were hardly thinking about politics?
Political, yes, but not in the way you are saying. So you actually think that one Dutch at home when he was thinkg for whom to vote, he said: Hmmm, I liked Ukrainian song but I've heard that Serbia could loose Kosovo soon so I will give my vote to them.

Get serious, please.:doh:





@Robo, did you hear english dance version of Molitva?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJujPPb4KQ

I liked the original more.:)
BTW It is translated wrongly.

[Amin]

BTW It is translated wrongly.

I know. Anyways she sings "destiny" in the chorus, maybe in english version "destiny" rhymes better than "prayer", so they chose that title. Finnish version is "Rukous" (prayer).


I liked the original more.

That remix is maybe for the clubs.


God, I'm so happy that you guys are so freaking jealous.

:D

[Kula]

As a matter of fact Britain, Germany, France etc all have extremely good bands and performers...the only thing is that they don't give a shit about Eurovision and they probably wouldn't take part in it even if they were paid. Most Eurovision contestants from the west are some random ass unknown bands that dream of becoming famous and stuff, while here in eastern europe it's taken far more seriously which is why most of the good stuff (in EVS) comes from around here.

[tsunami]

I thoughy it was forbidden to give any link from other forums. so that doesn't count

anyway Turkish people embraced democracy much better than Greeks thats why we have different ideas about foreign politics whereas Greeks has always the
same idea

Of course there should be different ideas

-Joining South Cyprus (NO)
-Joining EU (YES)

if you discriminate our people and put pressure on them for isolation with your strong diplomacy and giving them only one option which is to join south cyprus causing you have delutions about Turkish cypriots wants to join south cyprus :D
this is completely unethical and pathetic
Attila you dont make any sense whatsoever. The deal is simple: Cyprus is sovereign and Cyprus (all of it) belongs to the EU, your authoritarian governemnt has 50.000 troops on the Island and keeps the TC under hostage, the TC have been accepted in the EU and Turkey doen not let them be inside the EU, since you read the link: look what the Turks from the forum where i am discusing said about the matter:


I don't think it's better that TRNC exists as a seperate state.Any rational individual will say the same.

[Attila]

uufff shut up tsunami!

You found a new BS to share with us thank you :D

They carry two passports both south and north
They are already in EU most of them even go to work in south

so your brilliant new BS went to rubbish bin again

but thats not the place to discuss it

[..Jovan..]

''Serbia got points because they are going to lose Kosovo''. Well maybe last time in it Albania got points because it is a poor, tiny and crime filled country that everyone felt sorry for? I didn't know Albanians were so jealous, just for Eurovision the Serbs win and Albanians are trying make themselves feel better. Sad.

[dimitris]

Why the countries that recognize Macedonia’s name called it FYROM at Eurovision contest?


15 May 2007 | 12:31 | FOCUS News Agency

Skopje. Macedonia reacted again after a lost fight – the State will demand an explanation why all the states that have recognized its constitutional name, besides Montenegro, have used the name FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) at the Eurovision 2007 song contest in Helsinki, Finland, the Macedonian TV Channel Kanal 5 informed.
Macedonian diplomatic representations will raise the issue in all the states their country has been accredited and will have this attitude in mind in future, the Macedonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs stressed.

source (http://www.focus-fen.net/?id=n112377)

[israel]

In the UK I have noticed that people see the Eurovision contest as a joke. Obviously other countries do not see it this way.

To say that it is not filled with politics is untrue. To say that the physical appearnace, or visual aspect, of an act is unimportant is also untrue.

Finally, I thought that citizens of a country vote for the performer they want to send to Eurovision. When it comes to voting for other countries a panel of judges does that task. Am I mistaken?

[tsunami]

Isreal, i like the Eurovision contest for the following reasons:

a) Its funny
b) There are always 1,2,3,4,5 max good songs
c) You get to watch the foreign policy of half of Europe, their friends and their alliaces.
d) In this Eurovision we heard the term Former Yugoslav Republiq of Macedonia from every single country except Greece...lol
e) The Brits are always in the last 3.
f) It is encouraging as you get to see a lot of countries that are sworn enemies doing great with each other.
g) Its shows the real boudaries of Europe. Can you imagine that probably one day all these countries wil be one single nation? However far-fetched this may sound, we are indeed heading towards that direction.

[israel]

Isreal, i like the Eurovision contest for the following reasons:

a) Its funny
b) There are always 1,2,3,4,5 max good songs
c) You get to watch the foreign policy of half of Europe, their friends and their alliaces.
d) In this Eurovision we heard the term Former Yugoslav Republiq of Macedonia from every single country except Greece...lol
e) The Brits are always in the last 3.
f) It is encouraging as you get to see a lot of countries that are sworn enemies doing great with each other.
g) Its shows the real boudaries of Europe. Can you imagine that probably one day all these countries wil be one single nation? However far-fetched this may sound, we are indeed heading towards that direction.

(a) to (f) completely agree! Re: (d) I noticed that too. So ironic, so funny, Eurovision gold.

Not so sure about (g) though. Time will tell my friend.

[Balkanite]

Hmm, i wasnt happy about the Former Yugoslav Republic bullshit either, Macedonia is Macedonia wether people like it or not simply put. sorry for the greeks in here your probably gonna argue with me but i wont bother replying because its the truth, during yugoslavia it was Macedonia, after yugoslavia its macedonia personally ive had enough of the UN and other countries deciding what people can or cant call themselves, look at the bosnian flag it was changed due to the UN what gives them the right? and all i can say to all those countries who pulled that Former Yugoslav Republic crap is For Shame, have you no minds of your own, following the words of others, pathetic.

[Balozi]

When there is song contest we send best song. And if there is beauty contest we will send most beautiful girls. Everyone knows that Serbia has plenty of those two.

No one heread of Albania in terms of that (or in terms of anything else for that matter).
rofl :rofl:
good one :D


God, I'm so happy that you guys are so freaking jealous. You should be cuz I just watched your song and it is one smelly crap.
why exactly are we jealous? im not. in fact i didnt even see the contest this year... that's how much i care about it :crash:

and the fact that every year we send the crappiest of singers (pop idol winners and such) shows how much attention albanian TV pays to this contest

[tsunami]

Hmm, i wasnt happy about the Former Yugoslav Republic bullshit either, Macedonia is Macedonia wether people like it or not simply put. sorry for the greeks in here your probably gonna argue with me but i wont bother replying because its the truth, during yugoslavia it was Macedonia, after yugoslavia its macedonia personally ive had enough of the UN and other countries deciding what people can or cant call themselves, look at the bosnian flag it was changed due to the UN what gives them the right? and all i can say to all those countries who pulled that Former Yugoslav Republic crap is For Shame, have you no minds of your own, following the words of others, pathetic.
Balkanite i dont really want to argue.

I agree with you that other people trying to impose to others, identity matters is very bad.

But its not the Greeks that are trying to impose to the Slav-Macs to be called Fyrom. It is the Slav-Macs that are trying to be impose to the Greeks that they are not Macedonians.

It is Fyrom that negates the Macedonianess of the Greeks. And the Greeks of course, react, they do not act, they re-act. There is a big difference.

And Fyrom was Macedonia only for Yugoslavia, not for the rest of the world. Yugoslavia when she was still under the influence of Stalin(Iron Curtian Regime) created this artificial ethicity in order to grab Greek Macedonia. Just because Stalin and Tito created such a thing, it doesnt mean the the rest of the world should accept it, especially when it contradicts what you said above, that its bad for people to try to impose upon others their own version. They(Fyromians) are trying to impose their version on the world, not the world on them. The world simply dismisses their claims, the world does not impose anything upon them.

Anmd besides Fyrom has already signed that in all international organization, they agree to go by the name FyroMacedonia, and since Eurovision is an international organization, then what happened is sanctioned by the FyroM government.

[Balozi]

this is all off topic though :P

[RoboCop]

why exactly are we jealous? im not. in fact i didnt even see the contest this year... that's how much i care about it :crash:

and the fact that every year we send the crappiest of singers (pop idol winners and such) shows how much attention albanian TV pays to this contest

Oh, I understand, western countries like France, England, Germany, Spain and Albania don't care much about eurosong. :whistling

Good thing you've explained it to me.:D

[Darien]

Oh, I understand, western countries like France, England, Germany, Spain and Albania don't care much about eurosong. :whistling

Good thing you've explained it to me.:D

And what was your point in including Albania with the western countries???? What are you trying to show.

I think Balozi clearly told you that he doesn't care much about Eurovision just like a lot of Albanians. The song that went to Eurovision won also the Albanian song festival and I was there when it happened and trust majority of the people at least in Tirana were shocked with that song winning. Stop attacking Albanians for no apparent reason. Who gives a crap if Serbia won; who cares for Eurovision alltogether???
While most European voters don't necessarily care about the situation in the Balkans, I cannot dismiss the presence of a political flavor in deciding winners, especially since on the musical aspect this festival is not all that competitive, at least we can make some happy. However I doubt that they won because loosing Kosovo.
My only concern here is with attacks that some people like Robocop and Jovan post against albanians in general. That's the wrong way of addressing, and also keep on the topic and speak about all the crappy songs that participated there.

[Makeveli]

bla bla bla .... My only concern here is with attacks that some people like Robocop and Jovan post against albanians in general. bla bla bla ....

I feel the love between you guys :D

[Makeveli]

But its not the Greeks that are trying to impose to the Slav-Macs to be called Fyrom. It is the Slav-Macs that are trying to be impose to the Greeks that they are not Macedonians.

It is Fyrom that negates the Macedonianess of the Greeks. And the Greeks of course, react, they do not act, they re-act. There is a big difference.

And Fyrom was Macedonia only for Yugoslavia, not for the rest of the world.

I agree 100%, we of former-yugo do accept them as Macadonians but only as "Slavic Macedonians", we do this without saying it out loud because it's ridiculous to even think that they are in anyway connected to the ancient Macedonians, there not, nor was it ever teached in former Yugo ...

[Alalzia]

I am not a fan of pop and i hate the competition, by luck i saw the winer and a couple of others i can tell you with tv on mute Russians should have won by 100% of the votes.

[..Jovan..]

However I doubt that they won because loosing Kosovo.
My only concern here is with attacks that some people like Robocop and Jovan post against albanians in general. That's the wrong way of addressing, and also keep on the topic and speak about all the crappy songs that participated there.
Actually i hate nobody. Balozi and the other Albanians assumed some crap, i only i replied to them in the same manner that they addressed the Serbian win.

[..Jovan..]

I agree 100%, we of former-yugo do accept them as Macadonians but only as "Slavic Macedonians", we do this without saying it out loud because it's ridiculous to even think that they are in anyway connected to the ancient Macedonians, there not, nor was it ever teached in former Yugo ...

Where did you get this from?
We called them ''Makedonci'', which means Macedonian. When did you ever hear anyone down our ends says, ''Slavenski Makedonci''? And yes Mak it was taught in former Yugo. People were taught that Alexander was a slav and was from Macedonia (fyr). Infact Mak you know as well as i do, we call refer to the other Macedonians as ''Grci Makedonci'', which means Greek Macedonians. You got that mixed up.

[Makeveli]

Where did you get this from?
We called them ''Makedonci'', which means Macedonian. When did you ever hear anyone down our ends says, ''Slavenski Makedonci''? And yes Mak it was taught in former Yugo. People were taught that Alexander was a slav and was from Macedonia (fyr). Infact Mak you know as well as i do, we call refer to the other Macedonians as ''Grci Makedonci'', which means Greek Macedonians. You got that mixed up.

Yes we call them "Makedonci" and not ''Slavenski Makedonci'' BUT we do mean just that, and yes we call Greek Macedonians ''Grčki Makedonci'' but the reason is simple, that we don't confuse them ...

And as for as i know, and have learn in Yugoslav school (till '89 in Rotterdam) they make a difference with ancient macedonians and modern slavic macedonians ...

Only books made in FYRO Macedonia will say different :D

Anyway we are way off-topic :D

[Thorn]

Yes we call them "Makedonci" and not ''Slavenski Makedonci'' BUT we do mean just that, and yes we call Greek Macedonians ''Grci Makedonci'' but the reason is simple, that we don't confuse them ...

And as for as i know, and have learn in Yugoslav school (till '89 in Rotterdam) they make a difference with ancient macedonians and modern slavic macedonians ...

Only book made in FYRO Macedonia will say different :D

Anyway we are way off-topic :D
Have you ever seen a Macedo nian historical book??? The sme thing that you were taught in school, the same thing was just translated in Macedonian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovnian, etc... Don't insinuate!

As for the Eurosong: Go Serbia! See you all next year in Belgrade ;) If you want to see me, just follow the big red and yellow Macedonian flag (http://www.freewebs.com/macedonianempire/Mac.Flag%20Sonce.gif)

[RoboCop]

Actually i hate nobody. Balozi and the other Albanians assumed some crap, i only i replied to them in the same manner that they addressed the Serbian win.

I sign this from first to last word as an answer to Darien.

Darien, read from the first post and see who attacked who.


As for Macedonians, this is off topic, but we call them "Macedonians - Makedonci" but we were all thaught in schools that they are Slavs. At least I did.

[Balozi]

i think you guys must have lost it

anyway, god bless america!

[WisdomSeeker]

Only in a balkan forum,a thread about Eurovision would turn into who called slav macedonians what,whether they are differentiated from the greek macedonians,albanians attacking serbs and vice versa etc.:D


i didnt watch the contest,i heard Serbia won,congratulations Serbia:victory: :clap:


And yes,it has to do with politics. Everyone knows that political alliances play an important role. Thats why UK always finish on the last positions.

[Makeveli]

Only in a balkan forum,a thread about Eurovision would turn into who called slav macedonians what,whether they are differentiated from the greek macedonians,albanians attacking serbs and vice versa etc.:D

We sure are unique in that :D



i didnt watch the contest,i heard Serbia won,congratulations Serbia:victory: :clap:

Thanks mate :D

[Thorn]

The Macedonian song for 2008 is chosen

Download HERE (http://macedalien.free.fr/risto_bombata_minaha_godini.mp3)

:trampolin :trampolin