Albano-Serb Preshevo Dispute

[Professor]

A problem erupted in the City of Bujanovac on the very south of Serbia Proper.

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(left - Goran Taskovic, Democratic Party opposition leader - right - Shaip Kamberi, Mayor, Party for Democratic Action)

By majority votes, the Parliament of Bujanovac has sacked the two only directors in the municipality of Serb ethnicity - of Sports Centre "Youthe" and the Tourist Organization in Bujanovac. The idea of replacing them with ethnic Albanians, rather than Serbs anymore, has rocked tensions in the little southernmost Serbian municipality.

Any sort of multi-ethnicity no longer remains, and all 17 Serb MPs left the 41-seat assembly and went into boycott. Serbs argue that this a direct violation of the 2002 Treaty of Equal Representation in Municipalities. The Albanian leaders have made no act towards negotiation regarding the minority's involvement in institutions since the 2008 local election, and this unilateral act sealed this, as the Serb opposition leaders state that they do not see how can there be actually room to start negotiations now.

The Serb minority claim this is just one in a row of threats and pressures they have been recently receiving from the authorities in Presevo's valley, and that the clear message that the Albanian political leaders want to give is that there is no room here for Serbs and that they should move out.

The Mayor of Bujanovac claims that this dispute will be solved when the Democratic Party or Bujanovac's Serb minority Civic Group submit to him their list of candidatas for the Deputy Speaker of the Parliament, two members in the Municipal Council, two Deputies in the Municipal Administration and one Personal Assistant to the President of the Municipality.

[Balozi]

retaliation for the KLA arrests thing?

[Professor]

retaliation for the KLA arrests thing?

I believe not, for at least someone would've mentioned that...

...and if it perhaps is...then O.o for the Mayor and the Albanian political leadership in there.

[Professor]

The Minister of Agriculture has just gifted a large amount of seeds to the 55,000-strong Albanian community in Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac, himself visiting the place and managing the handing over. This is meant both to ease the troubles of the mostly agricultural-based Albanian national minority and the Albano-Serb relation.

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In total:

* 10,000 grape vines

* 4,900 plants of various fruit

* 6 tons of oat seed

* 1.07 tons of corn seed

[Darien]

.....from then on the Albanians and the Serbs lived happily everafter.....

[Balozi]

well i guess we would welcome this gesture. farmers of other ethnicities got nothing? sort of unfair

[Darien]

well i guess we would welcome this gesture. farmers of other ethnicities got nothing? sort of unfair

Careful Balozi!
Which other ethnicities?

You can't view this gesture under the light of what did the other ethnicities get?

Serbs owe a lot more to Albanians than mere seeds. Please!

[Professor]

Careful Balozi!
Which other ethnicities?

You can't view this gesture under the light of what did the other ethnicities get?

Serbs owe a lot more to Albanians than mere seeds. Please!

Darian, what in precise are you referring to?

Also, if by your opinion this should not have been done and is a mistake - why?

[Balozi]

darien well i dont know. in case there's some non-albanian and non-serb farmer in there :P

[harvest]

.....from then on the Albanians and the Serbs lived happily everafter.....

Sali Berisha would have called this: Seeds of peace, seeds of brotherhood, seeds of love... That's what Albanians have been always asking from Serbia...

[Darien]

Darian, what in precise are you referring to?

Also, if by your opinion this should not have been done and is a mistake - why?

I'm not saying this is a mistake. I just don't want to get overly excited just because some minister decided to donate some seeds to the farmers. The relationship needs to be improved from its fundamentals.

[Professor]

I'm not saying this is a mistake. I just don't want to get overly excited just because some minister decided to donate some seeds to the farmers. The relationship needs to be improved from its fundamentals.

I should not have then mentioned it then?

From your reply, I grasped the image of a disappointment.

[Darien]

don't take this the wrong way but sometimes it's hard to converse with you.

Yes, you should have mentioned it. Thanks for bringing it to the forum btw.

My comment on this event, however it's not as enthusiastic as you might have expected. That's all I'm saying. While it is perhaps a nice gesture, in my view a lot more is required from the Serb government (not necessarily monetary) in order to somewhat bring down the tensions. I emphasize that more is expected from the Serb side.

[Professor]

don't take this the wrong way but sometimes it's hard to converse with you.

Yes, you should have mentioned it. Thanks for bringing it to the forum btw.

My comment on this event, however it's not as enthusiastic as you might have expected. That's all I'm saying. While it is perhaps a nice gesture, in my view a lot more is required from the Serb government (not necessarily monetary) in order to somewhat bring down the tensions. I emphasize that more is expected from the Serb side.

I sometimes make jokes, and the ones I enjoy (to tell the embaressing truth about myself), are almost exclusively sarcastic. That is why I might sometimes seem as a narcissist, although my true intentions are from from being a jack-ass.

As for that, well the primary reason is the crisis. This is, yes, a gesture, but a much needed one (not a symbolical gift, although that can be located and unrapped and read on the card I suppose).

[Professor]

Left: Riza Halimi, representer of the Albanian national minority in the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia; Cetner: Minister for Self-government Milan Markovic; Right: Head of the OSCE mission in Serbia Hans Ola Urstad

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The three have signed a treaty on reforming Serbia's Coordination Team for the South of Serbia, which means that now, ethnic Albanians and representers of the Albanian community will be it.

The Albanian Coalition from the Preshevo Valley shall name Minister Milan Markicevic's Deputy.

The Coordination Team has special authorities, especially in the field of investments. It notes that it shall deal from now on much more with the poor status of the Roma minority and in making the Preshevo and Bujanovac regions,whose authorities unlike Medvedja, monoethnic, despite their ethnic composition.

The Mayors of Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja have also signed this treaty. The treaty's ceremony was attented also by the State Secretary of the Ministry of Justice Slobodan Homen, a delegation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland's delegation and the Ambassador of the United States of America Cameron Manter.

Milan Markovic notes that a lot has already been done on the integration of the Presevo Albanian people, noting especially that the police is controlled now by the local Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac. He noted that the Coordination Team will make a major breakthrough in South Serbia and that the Office of the Ombudsman of the Republic of Serbia (Protector of Citizens) is about to be opened in Presevo.

Riza Halimi hopes that all the errors will disappear and the path perceived in 2001 will be returned to and will be aplied.

Hans Ola Urstad greeted that after so many negotiations and problems, the treaty was finally signed. Urstad claims this will further improve Serbia as a mutli-ethnic community.

[mavronjoti]

Timeo serpentes et dona ferentes


probably those seeds are like the ones that where sold in Albania and gave no agricultural production whatsoever.... the General proscution office has found that those seeds came originaly from Serbia

[harvest]

Why is this thread called: Albano-Serb Preshevo Dispute?

[Professor]

Why is this thread called: Albano-Serb Preshevo Dispute?

Because it's about the dispute between Serbs and Albanians in the Presovo valley.

[harvest]

Because it's about the dispute between Serbs and Albanians in the Presovo valley.
I thought it's about agriculture :P

[WisdomSeeker]

There is an old chinese saying that states:

''Give a fisherman a fish and you will make him happy for a day.
Teach him how to fish and you will make him happy for ever''.

I think that is why albanians are scepticists about this,because they regard it (and it actually is) a short term measure to placate (sp?) any possible albanian discontent in the area.
People do not need measures like those,but long term ones,to give them hope for a better tomorrow. Just my two cents.

[Professor]

There is an old chinese saying that states:

''Give a fisherman a fish and you will make him happy for a day.
Teach him how to fish and you will make him happy for ever''.

I think that is why albanians are scepticists about this,because they regard it (and it actually is) a short term measure to placate (sp?) any possible albanian discontent in the area.
People do not need measures like those,but long term ones,to give them hope for a better tomorrow. Just my two cents.

Yeah, that's possibly because you people missed the other post:


Left: Riza Halimi, representer of the Albanian national minority in the National Assembly of the Republic of Serbia; Cetner: Minister for Self-government Milan Markovic; Right: Head of the OSCE mission in Serbia Hans Ola Urstad

http://www.mtsmondo.com/slike/vesti/001/292/v129283p0.jpg

The three have signed a treaty on reforming Serbia's Coordination Team for the South of Serbia, which means that now, ethnic Albanians and representers of the Albanian community will be it.

The Albanian Coalition from the Preshevo Valley shall name Minister Milan Markicevic's Deputy.

The Coordination Team has special authorities, especially in the field of investments. It notes that it shall deal from now on much more with the poor status of the Roma minority and in making the Preshevo and Bujanovac regions,whose authorities unlike Medvedja, monoethnic, despite their ethnic composition.

The Mayors of Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja have also signed this treaty. The treaty's ceremony was attented also by the State Secretary of the Ministry of Justice Slobodan Homen, a delegation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland's delegation and the Ambassador of the United States of America Cameron Manter.

Milan Markovic notes that a lot has already been done on the integration of the Presevo Albanian people, noting especially that the police is controlled now by the local Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac. He noted that the Coordination Team will make a major breakthrough in South Serbia and that the Office of the Ombudsman of the Republic of Serbia (Protector of Citizens) is about to be opened in Presevo.

Riza Halimi hopes that all the errors will disappear and the path perceived in 2001 will be returned to and will be aplied.

Hans Ola Urstad greeted that after so many negotiations and problems, the treaty was finally signed. Urstad claims this will further improve Serbia as a mutli-ethnic community.

I don't understand why everyone got so attached to the seeds. :trampolin

[harvest]

I don't understand why everyone got so attached to the seeds. :trampolin

Why don't you ask yourself? :) Why did you bring this seed solution to a thread about a political dispute?

[Iks]

Aye greeks, want some more sunflowers there?:D

[Professor]

Why don't you ask yourself? :) Why did you bring this seed solution to a thread about a political dispute?

Any news regarding better Albanian-Serb relations, in specific the Question of the Preshevo Valley, should be posted precisely in this thread.

[Professor]

The Serbs have collectively sent a team to Belgrade lodging an official protest.

The Serbs strongly criticize all the "privileges" to the Albanian people, who, as they claim, are only using this without any good will, planning to use Serbian resources to, again, orchestrate a secession.

The Serbs note that continuous pressure is conducted against them, drawing the possibility that the local authorities are encouraging in every way ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians, through immigration.

Their team has noted that the local self-government still keeps violating the pacification treaty, maintaining in the region a mono-ethnic Albanian position with Albanians everywhere and not a single non-Albanian. The local authorities also did not celebrate the local festivities (Serbian custom).

However, Riza Halimi has noted that the complaints are not that objective. Halimi reminded everyone that on administrational national level, there are more Serbs than Albanians in the Presevo region. He also noted that some objections are justified - Bujanovac should celebrate one according to its Statute, but other festivities are not legally an obligation.

Riza Halimi has recently lost much, if not most, influence, amongst the Albanian minority in Serbia. His political party has lost coalition partners and is no longer in charge in some of the regions. The power is by large controlled by the more national-orientated groups, same ones support(ed) independence from Serbia. This can justify the most recent 'veering' of R. Halimi from the left to the right and from liberalism to conservatism. (Halimi has announced leaving the Coordination Team for Southeastern Serbia).

[Kitty]

The Serbs strongly criticize all the "privileges" to the Albanian people, who, as they claim, are only using this without any good will, planning to use Serbian resources to, again, orchestrate a secession.


What are these so called "priviliges" this article is mentioning, that the Albanians of Presheva Valley are getting?

[harvest]

What are these so called "priviliges" this article is mentioning, that the Albanians of Presheva Valley are getting?

Seeds for free!

[Kitty]

Seeds for free!

That's being a bit too generous don't you think.

[harvest]

That's being a bit too generous don't you think.
:)

[Professor]

BELGRADE, Serbia -- Political representatives of Albanians in southern Serbia have launched an initiative to establish Albanian regional institutions and a Presevo valley region, local media reported on Sunday (August 2nd). Councillors of the Presevo, Bujanovas and Medvedja municipalities have adopted a political declaration calling on Serbian authorities to halt special police actions in southern Serbia and to prevent any escalation of the political and security situation. They have also insisted on demilitarising this zone. Serbia has deployed gendarmerie in the region arguing, it is there to fight crime and corruption.

Interior Minister Ivica Dacic said on Sunday that he had met local Albanian leaders to discuss how to preserve the political stability and security in the region. (Tanjug, Blic, B92, FoNet - 02/08/09)

[Balozi]

this would be great for us :P

[Professor]

this would be great for us :P

There is an interesting thing. None of the commonfolk have actually heard anything about the initiative of their politicians down there and those that were asked were not interested in it.

Also, mostly the elderly are those who came out to comment and their comments were mostly nostalgic and positive. The young have refused to at all come to cameras. That should be at least a bit worrying - shouldn't it be vice-versa?

Anyways, there's no chance for that; it's the same as a region of Sanjak one of those two Serbian Islamic Communities ask for. The process of regionalization will follow primarily economic lines and creating a multi-ethnic society.

[TheTruthSometimesHurts]

There is an interesting thing. None of the commonfolk have actually heard anything about the initiative of their politicians down there and those that were asked were not interested in it.

Also, mostly the elderly are those who came out to comment and their comments were mostly nostalgic and positive. The young have refused to at all come to cameras. That should be at least a bit worrying - shouldn't it be vice-versa?

Anyways, there's no chance for that; it's the same as a region of Sanjak one of those two Serbian Islamic Communities ask for. The process of regionalization will follow primarily economic lines and creating a multi-ethnic society.

Professor, I truly believe you're a smart man and born way ahead of your time (in regards to the Balkans at least). In genera,l people that have a substandard living compared to the rest of the population will stick to their guns (national identity + religion) when it comes to reasoning why are they is such economic state. Also...lets face it they (Albanians at least) have been discriminated against for a few generations based of their national identity (believe it or not not so much on religion) it takes at least two generations of improved relations in order for them to at least feel better about it (They will never forget for sure!).

[Makeveli]

BELGRADE, Serbia -- Political representatives of Albanians in southern Serbia have launched an initiative to establish Albanian regional institutions and a Presevo valley region, local media reported on Sunday (August 2nd). Councillors of the Presevo, Bujanovas and Medvedja municipalities have adopted a political declaration calling on Serbian authorities to halt special police actions in southern Serbia and to prevent any escalation of the political and security situation. They have also insisted on demilitarising this zone. Serbia has deployed gendarmerie in the region arguing, it is there to fight crime and corruption.

Interior Minister Ivica Dacic said on Sunday that he had met local Albanian leaders to discuss how to preserve the political stability and security in the region. (Tanjug, Blic, B92, FoNet - 02/08/09)

It's more then necessary, let's not forget all the attacks that have happend there, if the police was not there nor any other security force the Serbs would by expelled and killed just like in Kosovo.

Between 1999 and 2005 (if i am not mistaken) there was a 5 kilometer military buffer zone around Kosovo (no Serbian troops where allowed in that buffer zone) on Serbian territory during that time there where many attack on Serbian civilians and police, some where also killed.

So i hope they never leave, it's time for Albanians to except that they life in Serbia. And stop attacks on Serbs fueled by ethnic hate. It's those people who make normal life between Serbs and Albanians impossible nothing more. Serbian government is trying it's best to make it work, now other should do the same and not try to make some kind of Presevo valley region just based on ethnic background, why ? because it's racial discrimination. And not even to mention what awaits Serbs if it comes to that.

[DanMs]

The troops are there for intimidation and to show that Serbia has full control of the situation. Otherwise, i see no other reason why that region should be policed more heavily than the rest of Serbia.

Unfortunately, good relations are not going to come by force and barrel of the gun.

[Makeveli]

The troops are there for intimidation and to show that Serbia has full control of the situation. Otherwise, i see no other reason why that region should be policed more heavily than the rest of Serbia.

Unfortunately, good relations are not going to come by force and barrel of the gun.

Well, the Serbian police is not attacking anyone, on the other hand the Serbian police are under attack from time to time, that's why there there in the first place, if those attacks would stop then indeed there will be no more reasons for a big police force, and in time will reduces.

So it's clear, stop attacking police, and they will lower there number to normal size.

And it not for intimidation, Milosevic is long gone, please remember that.

[Professor]

Professor, I truly believe you're a smart man and born way ahead of your time (in regards to the Balkans at least). In genera,l people that have a substandard living compared to the rest of the population will stick to their guns (national identity + religion) when it comes to reasoning why are they is such economic state. Also...lets face it they (Albanians at least) have been discriminated against for a few generations based of their national identity (believe it or not not so much on religion) it takes at least two generations of improved relations in order for them to at least feel better about it (They will never forget for sure!).

Most sincere thanks for your kind compliment.


Between 1999 and 2005 (if i am not mistaken) there was a 5 kilometer military buffer zone around Kosovo (no Serbian troops where allowed in that buffer zone) on Serbian territory during that time there where many attack on Serbian civilians and police, some where also killed.

You are somewhat mistaken. The buffer zone for the military and all airborn units still remains, and that is the thing that NATO and Serbia were discussing to renegotiate. The main problem came since now NATO wants a different treaty in correspondance to Kosovo's path to its own independence (e.g. no return of Serbia to Kosovo and treating it as an independent nation and not a part of Serbia), while Serbia demands remaining word to word by the original 1999 peace treaty and stronger guarantees, since the NATO had significantly violated the mutual agreement that ended the conflict.

The retired generals who conducted the military offensive are all in the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, standing trial for war crimes. This fact alone shows that interest is considerable.


The troops are there for intimidation and to show that Serbia has full control of the situation. Otherwise, i see no other reason why that region should be policed more heavily than the rest of Serbia.

Unfortunately, good relations are not going to come by force and barrel of the gun.

Your last sentence is the most important part of this discussion, however, there are increased terrorist attacks. A man attacked a patrol of two policemen with an RPG. Somewhat also blew up the building which houses all members of the local police force, luckily only injuring 2 civilians. This is normally not discussed in official wording, but I think we can safely conclude that the perpetrator is a dissident underground Albanian, either from Kosovo or from the region of Preshevo's Valley. The sick irony added is the fact that those injured themselves are Albanians. And this altogether has response from the Serbian public, where experts present this (unofficially) as a "repetition of the Kosovo principle", in which the KLA's innocent targets were Albanians themselves.

Add to this the fact that without such a high police force there would have been no bust of that significant weapons' stash which was being smuggled in from Kosovo, with the aim to raise a minor rebellion in the region (the one where one Kosovo policeman has been identified in the group of smugglers). And there are other incidents unrelated to the southern ethnic issues (or so it is thought?) e.g. the most recent attempt to blow up the Parliament of the City of Belgrade with a bomb; all of this shows that Serbia has entered the line of countries threatened daily by terrorism. And there are other situations that show the need for more security - like that man that tried to blow up the Presidency building with grenades. All of these events had happened this year and resulted in the Ministry of Interior Affairs announcing far bigger and stronger presence in the country altogether, not just especially in the Preshevo Valley region. And after all, does not lack of security also automatically mean giving in space to crime? I am of course not talking about restoring the police state from 1997, so that no one's mistaken!

[DanMs]

Here is a writing by Miroslav Filipovic translate in English with GoogleTranslate


When a bomb erupts somewhere, verily dead, and if power dont catch the culprits, it is framed. Then see who makes the most noise in the newspaper ... He has thrown the bomb!

From OpEd - other 06.08.2009 at 13:00 pm
Miroslav Filipovic

Even less will begin the third decade of nationalist prejse Belgrader try that with the same "shtos" to attract the world to nose. Is done by less laborious to see how the games continue with the nonsense about the use of the word "terrorism" and "terrorists", while the terms of use for internal use, as have learned to use everything else as well: without tact , josaktë and without responsibility. Terrorism is something dangerous and bad. Always remain behind the terrorist acts with dozens or hundreds dead, remains a terrible message. Except in Serbia. Terrorists do not want to take on terrorist acts in which the dead are measured with several dozen. Terms are now common terrorist portabël atomic bombs, and rockets filled with Sari, bioterrorizmi, plane, train, eventually a bus, mall, market ... In Serbia, no. Of course, not happily. Of course, in Serbia there is no terrorism, and certainly in Serbia there is no outstanding issues or any other, which could require a "support" terrorist. In Serbia it is "terrorism" when you lay a hand grenade in a yard, or near a fence, or even near a wall of the house, so that damage to be smaller and, dashtë Lord, suffer not one, or Coordinating Body (as formerly) to announce that two members of the gendarmerie heard shots coming from the direction of Kosovo.

Long ago, while is do the first steps as a journalist for reporting the use of political violence, a colleague of the father, or an old sigurims of Tito's Army, I nearly gave this advice: "When a bomb erupts somewhere, verily dead, and if power s'i catch the culprits, it is a frame. then see who makes the most noise in the newspaper ... He has thrown the bomb. "

Of course, it is very difficult to suspected in the information and reports that give state bodies, state or senior officials.

And, judging by their situation in the municipalities of Bujanovac and Presevo is dramatic. Let's just look at the titles and will ngrihemi: "Drama in the South of Serbia", "South Serbia occupied by terrorists," "Remains of terrorist groups in southern Serbia", "Sutanovac Seeks Assistance of NATO's". Thus, the most noise are doing ours.
Or, the second story: In early spring of 2002, the entry of Albanian Lluçan village, near Bujanovac, a police jeeps fell into mine. Three policemen were burned to desert it. In early June sivjetmë two policemen got lucky. Although their xhipi was shot with mine, they were injured. Usually, when a mine on a tank flap, tank skid, and within it all the burn. Xhipi police and our djelmoshat within his luck had an unprecedented, or perhaps not ditkan Albanian terrorists to fire at, despite the "high disavjeçare exercises and more modern weapons and deadly that NATO has provided."

But I still say that is not so easy to suspected that give information to state officials. However, when a reporter during his research is logjikshëm, methodical, and suspicious, then materien wants to investigate a little deeper, and here there are at least three points to be examined.

Point of view they are just "Albanian terrorists, armed and trained professional, who vlojnë by state institutions of forgery." Is it possible for them to be cooperation so "blind" and can not perform a real terrorist action, but only with bullets qëllojnë blind? Is it realistic that the Albanian terrorists each time to draw attention to the international terrorist acts, which many more people cause harm to them than the Serbs? Of course, this is completely impossible. I know that in Kosovo there are people who think serious terrorist actions for large size. I think they were mësyshur nilly to commit such actions, but only if it would help Kosovo as a state and whether this would be allowed by the s'janë centers in Kosovo. Or to be more clear, if Albanian terrorists want to commit a terrorist act to enter Serbia and thikën back dazzling diplomatic successes Jeremicit, it is certain that nilly throwing a bomb at a yard there, where none none. And I asked a former police officer with experience, probably more experience than all others, what thinks about terrorism in southern Serbia. Smiled and did it pantomimën the "three majmunëve. The eyes closed, ears closed, and the great thing with him and passed on orally as an indicator is close to that license.

Point the second. Kosovo has long been at the scene is "independence fours", ie counting up to 92 or 93 states that will accept Kosovo, and then complete all the concerns. Even those in Kosovo, the Serb. Kosovo will formally accept the United Nations, therefore, "all over the world", while Serb politicians will qetësohen and start dealing with that also have work to care for the interests of the citizens of Serbia. A number of states will not recognize Kosovo, while a portion has already ordered that Kosovo politicians and citizens are watching and evaluating if they are genuine state, if you can control the situation in their state, if they can ensure the rule of law and respect for human rights. And if you can achieve that all would accept. In other words, is in the interest of deep power Kosovar Kosovo to demonstrate that not only as a free and democratic society, but also to show that you can check their bashkëkombësit on the other hand, Moravës the Binçës.

By the way, the Kosovo politicians really can do and are doing. Same as the Kosovo Albanians, under threat of death penalty, was banned harassment of Serbs, Kosovo is the owners of this sentence are also threatened Albanians "Serbia", if in Presevo or Bujanovac, or even in Belgrade There is no connection with, the Serbs ngacmojnë, or do whatever you want to slow counting mentioned. Therefore, the domain is believed to be the fantazisë Albanian terrorism.

And the third rule is that thing that suits one side not the other suits. Belgrade nohow not convenient peace in Kosovo, nor the peace in southern Serbia. As jobs are staying now, more time does not work for nationalist Belgrader. Contrary. According to their independence and count fours calm and pavërejtur must stop. Paramendojeni just how much you will "flinte" a nationalist luftëz Belgrader. Even if it lasts only two or three days. Only if digjeshin several churches in Kosovo, or at least in the south of Serbia. And, to some Serbs killed - one on-nilly to accept Kosovo. The counting will stop.

By promoting inter-hatred in Kosovo and in Serbia in general, the Serbian government at least two wins poenë important. The first is around the national homogjenizimi Serbs threatened. There are some times that we have written on this page that this is a discovery of Milošević, and he, whenever the luhatej power shpikte of some Serbs that someone who risked and only he can save.

By doing this not përtonte that if cooperation should, to return from rrotën bit of history and the evil, if this work also killed a Serb or remain homeless, s'kishe ç'ti make!

Should, as said the late Zoran Djindjic, a viewable picture somewhat broader. Today's level of national histerisë is not marked by "early works" of Milošević, although populliste basis of histerisë kleronacionaliste is several times bigger and already quite busy intertwined with elements of fascism.

The second benefit. If there will be no fatted money from abroad, the government will have difficulty to pay pensions, salaries of teachers and principals, but also all others. However, if the Serbs in Kosovo or Sandzak maltretojë continues to someone, and if "the purpose of the transfer activities in southern Serbia - Nis up", then hungry citizens could lift up the expected protests. In this could also help to members of the patriotic forces. Therefore, the power and seeks finds very strong support to these forces, offering citizens - instead of bread and security - a confession of konstruktuar carefully threat to the nation and the need for precisely this power to the people in prijë battle for the holy salvation.

[Professor]

Another incident - yet another bomb below a car.

It would've been less sad if the victims aren't almost always other Albanians in these terrorist attacks from disgruntled extremists.

[Balozi]

what does it mean "other albanians". is there any proof that albanians made this attack or is this some kind of mainstream theory

[Professor]

what does it mean "other albanians". is there any proof that albanians made this attack or is this some kind of mainstream theory

You aren't saying that the KLA was a Romani or Serb organization? :shocked0:

[Balozi]

what has that to do with anything? u said blabla a bomb and hinted that albanians are responsible. i am asking u got any sort of proof or are u assuming it?

[Professor]

what has that to do with anything? u said blabla a bomb and hinted that albanians are responsible. i am asking u got any sort of proof or are u assuming it?

It is with little doubt the same terrorist organization they've been fighting since 2004. It caused all the incidents thus far, and taken responsibility for about most of them.

[Balozi]

ok so then you don't know. you are just assuming it

i would say you should stop assuming things and only make such accusations with facts

[Professor]

ok so then you don't know. you are just assuming it

i would say you should stop assuming things and only make such accusations with facts

I am not assuming, I am bringing the news.

The injured Albanian policeman is preparing another declaration to the Albanian people of the Preshevo Valley following this attack.

He has before made statements in aims of reconciliation and pacification, but has been the center of many death threats and insults from the extremists among his fellow Albanians, who consider him a national traitor.

[DanMs]

I say Kosovo should let go of the remaining serb areas in the north. In exchange for Presheva valley. That would solve a lot of problems.
http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/south-serbia.jpg

[Balozi]

that should be followed by a population exchange though as there are some albanians in north kosovo and plenty of serbs in preshevo

[Professor]

I say Kosovo should let go of the remaining serb areas in the north. In exchange for Presheva valley. That would solve a lot of problems.
http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/south-serbia.jpg

But Albanians form barely more than 10% of the population of the territory on that map... It has got an 80%+ Serb majority

In any case, even if they formed a majority, it's just not a reality.


that should be followed by a population exchange though as there are some albanians in north kosovo and plenty of serbs in preshevo

I doubt "some" would be accepted to be replaced with "plenty".

And besides, we are in the 21st century. Talks such as that Balozi are long history, even before our birth.

[Novi Sad]

It`s not so easy for Serbia to give these territories to the albanians because there is a huge number of Bulgarian minority as well. :wink2:

Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Outlands

You may refer to this too:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Census_2002_Serbia%2C_ethnic_map_%28by_m unicipalities%29.png


Western Bulgarian Outlands
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/4/44/Zapadne_bugarske_pokrajine.png/200px-Zapadne_bugarske_pokrajine.png

These territories were ceded to Yugoslavia by Bulgaria according to the Treaty of Neuilly, 1920 but now Yugoslavia is gone and Bulgaria may ask for them and it has its right by law to do that! :rolleyes2:

[Professor]

It`s not so easy for Serbia to give these territories to the albanians because there is a huge number of Bulgarian minority as well. :wink2:

There's more than 50,000 Albanians, and less than 10,000 Bulgarians in there. The Albanians form more than ten percent of the region's population, while Bulgarians only a couple. I don't understand really the logic in here.

Are we pumping up numbers on this thread? :biggrin2:

[Novi Sad]

According to this article from Wikipedia, the Bulgarians are majority in Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad municipalities:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Census_2002_Serbia%2C_ethnic_map_%28by_m unicipalities%29.png

The Bulgarians in Eastern Serbia are at least 50,000 not 10,000! :wink2:

1. According to the 2002 census data, the population only of the Bosilegrad municipality was 9,931 people, and it was composed of:

Bulgarians = 7,079 (70.91%)
Serbs = 1,308 (13.17%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosilegrad

2. According to the 2002 census data, the population of the Dimitrovgrad municipality was 11,748 people, and it was composed of:

Bulgarians = 5,836 (49.68%)
Serbs = 3,005 (25.58%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrovgrad,_Serbia



:wink2:

[Professor]

According to this article from Wikipedia, the Bulgarians are majority in Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad municipalities:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Census_2002_Serbia%2C_ethnic_map_%28by_m unicipalities%29.png

The Bulgarians in Eastern Serbia are at least 50,000 not 10,000! :wink2:

1. According to the 2002 census data, the population only of the Bosilegrad municipality was 9,931 people, and it was composed of:

Bulgarians = 7,079 (70.91%)
Serbs = 1,308 (13.17%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosilegrad

2. According to the 2002 census data, the population of the Dimitrovgrad municipality was 11,748 people, and it was composed of:

Bulgarians = 5,836 (49.68%)
Serbs = 3,005 (25.58%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrovgrad,_Serbia



:wink2:

Er, no, according to the population census you're referring to, there are 18,839 Bulgarians in all of Central Serbia.

And Dimitrovgrad isn't a part of the discussed territory.

[Balozi]

we are in the 21st century. Talks such as that Balozi are long history, even before our birth.
that's bullshit :P. if you want to be a pawn keep thinking that way