Montenegro to Abolish Albanian privileged Minority Rights

[Professor]

There were serious discussions for the past decade in Montenegro. Since 1998 there were 2 electoral units in Montenegro during elections - one of which is located in Albanian-majority populated areas. None of the others, Bosniacs, Muslims, Serbs and Croats, have beyond recognition any minority privileges like the Albanians do.

In an effort to end the debates initiated, the new Government of Milo Djukanovic has proposed to abolish the separate Albanian electoral unit and make the whole country just one whole electoral unit, in which thus, minorities will be equal, and Albanians will not be privileged.

The Bosniac Party asked for the same rights for Bosniacs and Croats, which have their party within Djukanovic's coalition, however this was Djukanovic's proposal as a final solution.

[Balozi]

i think all minorities should have the same thing as albanians have, instead of removing this privilege from all

[Professor]

i think all minorities should have the same thing as albanians have, instead of removing this privilege from all

How to pull that off? Six electoral units, one in each of the 6 major ethnic group-populated areas?

[Balozi]

sure why not. where there is will there is a way

[Professor]

sure why not. where there is will there is a way

Then no, because there is no will.

[Balozi]

doh

[Darien]

There were serious discussions for the past decade in Montenegro. Since 1998 there were 2 electoral units in Montenegro during elections - one of which is located in Albanian-majority populated areas. None of the others, Bosniacs, Muslims, Serbs and Croats, have beyond recognition any minority privileges like the Albanians do.

In an effort to end the debates initiated, the new Government of Milo Djukanovic has proposed to abolish the separate Albanian electoral unit and make the whole country just one whole electoral unit, in which thus, minorities will be equal, and Albanians will not be privileged.

The Bosniac Party asked for the same rights for Bosniacs and Croats, which have their party within Djukanovic's coalition, however this was Djukanovic's proposal as a final solution.

This is a wrong move.

Instead either leave it alone as it is or group all minorities into one group, except for Serbs for obvious reasons.

With the way that CG keeps going next thing you know there will be a minority for people with brown hair or certain color eyes.

I've stated many times for ex that the Muslim minority is a big BS as there is no such ethinicity.

The only real minority in the true sense of ethnicity are the Albanians.

[Professor]

This is a wrong move.

Instead either leave it alone as it is or group all minorities into one group, except for Serbs for obvious reasons.

With the way that CG keeps going next thing you know there will be a minority for people with brown hair or certain color eyes.

I've stated many times for ex that the Muslim minority is a big BS as there is no such ethinicity.

The only real minority in the true sense of ethnicity are the Albanians.

I agree with your last sentence fully, but, we must understand that we no longer live in the past. Some events cannot come again (as much as anyone would've liked).

What is true, is that some circles of the Montenegrins want, and they are systematically working on that aim, to assimilate all non-Albanian minorities in the country (well, there were attempts for Albanians, but only partially-successful). So far this has not shown results in act, but is expected to do so in one day.

This includes - not privileging Albanians over them (so that they do not receive privileges), not permitting them to receive Citizenships from their mother-states (restrictive - only Montenegrin Citizenship allowed), not permitting them educational autonomy as promised, etcetera. In that aim, there is only one dominant political party of the Croats - the Croatian Civic Initiative. It was formed by support from Podgorica and is a part of Milo's coalition since its formation in 2006. The Croats were divided between government and opposition by a half practically, and this is his aim to bring them all into government - not running independent, the party has to ammend itself to Milo's wishing.

The same is with the Bosniacs & Muslims. As the President of the Bosniac National Council of Montenegro Serbo Rastoder had pointed out, the government used irrational scaring of the minorities in order to vote for it. Thus, DPS managed to squeeze out all the minority parties and most Bosniacs and Muslims now actually vote for it. In 2006 the Bosniac Party was formed, as an opposition party, which progressed well on gathering some votes - but per the fact that there is no way for the minorities to get elected beside the Albanians in their own ways, it used the principle "if you can't fight them, join them", effectively gaining probably all Bosniac votes. In parallel to this, Montenegro is promoting the segregation on Bosniacs and Muslims, founding minority National Councis for both, putting both terms in the Constitution and launching (quite possibly fake) statistical polling, according to which most Slavic Muslims in MNE feel themselves as Muslims, and not Bosniacs, as it was according to the 2003/4 population census. They also promoted establishing a political party, which in its name has "Bosniacs and Muslims".

The Romanis almost always vote for Milo. They have no political party, no organization, and Milo is the only one campaigning for them, usually under the slogan "All Gypsies for Milo!". They vote for the same party which organized their expulsion from one town, because the mayor and certain townsfolk did not find appealing living next to Romanis.

Milo had planned to apply the same idea to the Serbs - by negotiating with the People's Party, which was supposed to run on its list as well, returning much of the Serb vote to him. This did not happen and the Populist Coalition did not enter the parliament, because DPS' coalition partner SDP has started a process to relieve their President of Montenegrin Citizenship for taking the Serbian citizenship.

If this truly happens, Darien, in order for the Albanians to have their representatives in the parliament, they have only 2 choices:

1) Collect all 6 political currents into one list, organize a campaign which bases itself in getting every Albanian out of their houses and into voting stations and praying for a low general turnout

2) Run as part of Milo's coalition (which is his final goal)

[Professor]

http://in4s.net/x/images/stories/politicari-domaci/dinosa.jpg

President of the Democratic Union of Albanians Ferhat Dinosha has noted that he insists enlargement of the proportion of Albanians in the judicial sector and that it is not an option for Albanians to find themselves outside the government. As a minority, they should participate in any always.

A previous partner in the 2006-2009 Government, F. Dinosha offers to join his 1 MP to the parliamentary majority again. He asks for DUA the seat of Deputy Prime Minister, which shall be assigned for Minorities and Foreign Meetings. DUA greets the new Law on National Symbols that is about to be adopted (according to which municipalities with majority or plurality of a national minority shall be able to freely point out its national symbols [e.g. flags] in the public).

[Ermir]

He is asking for too much.

All gypsies for Milo....is funny and.... racistic

Serbo Rastoder ... a Bosniac lmao

Proffessor a question : Is it true tht most of CG-s administration jobs are owned by those that feel Montenegrin as opposed to the idea Montenegrins are Serbs? (All those I've met denied being Serbian like the plague)

[Professor]

He is asking for too much.

All gypsies for Milo....is funny and.... racistic

Serbo Rastoder ... a Bosniac lmao

Proffessor a question : Is it true tht most of CG-s administration jobs are owned by those that feel Montenegrin as opposed to the idea Montenegrins are Serbs? (All those I've met denied being Serbian like the plague)

Well, I wouldn't put it that harsh...But no, there's no Serb in the administration, in the high positions. There are in total 33 and a half percent Serbs, while about 2 percent work altogether for the State.

Quite ironic, considering that, for example, the vast majority of medical graduates are Serbs (including all top ones). :D

The only minority which has, in numbers, good representation, are the Ethnic Muslims. All others are several times downplayed (especially the Serbs).

[Balozi]

Ethnic Muslims
every time i read this i cant help laughing :P

[Darien]

every time i read this i cant help laughing :P

Yeah but this is not a joke at all Balozi.

The more minorities there are the more the Albanian effect is downplayed. They will one of the numerous minorities in CG.

[TheTruthSometimesHurts]

There were serious discussions for the past decade in Montenegro. Since 1998 there were 2 electoral units in Montenegro during elections - one of which is located in Albanian-majority populated areas. None of the others, Bosniacs, Muslims, Serbs and Croats, have beyond recognition any minority privileges like the Albanians do.

In an effort to end the debates initiated, the new Government of Milo Djukanovic has proposed to abolish the separate Albanian electoral unit and make the whole country just one whole electoral unit, in which thus, minorities will be equal, and Albanians will not be privileged.

The Bosniac Party asked for the same rights for Bosniacs and Croats, which have their party within Djukanovic's coalition, however this was Djukanovic's proposal as a final solution.

Professor, since you call yourself that, Montenegro has to do two things either keep a balance of carrot and stick and not piss off the Albanian minority (which I don't want to get into history, but it was forcefully split by the border in two) until they join the EU (if they ever do, the EU might not be around for all that long if there is no sense of assimilation) or face an eventual uprising (the families in Malcija, Plave, Gucinje have close relatives on the other side of the border and they still sing songs for Jakup Ferri and Ali Pashe Gucia that chopped a lot of Montenegrin-Serb heads). Some big countries that should exist, don't by the will of other bigger countries (i.e. Kurdistan), some small countries that shouldn't even be on the map exit, also by the will of other bigger countries.

[kassandros]

Professor, since you call yourself that, Montenegro has to do two things either keep a balance of carrot and stick and not piss off the Albanian minority (which I don't want to get into history, but it was forcefully split by the border in two) until they join the EU (if they ever do, the EU might not be around for all that long if there is no sense of assimilation) or face an eventual uprising (the families in Malcija, Plave, Gucinje have close relatives on the other side of the border and they still sing songs for Jakup Ferri and Ali Pashe Gucia that chopped a lot of Montenegrin-Serb heads). Some big countries that should exist, don't by the will of other bigger countries (i.e. Kurdistan), some small countries that shouldn't even be on the map exit, also by the will of other bigger countries.



Why do you bring FYROM into discussion, I didn't get it..

[TheTruthSometimesHurts]

Why do you bring FYROM into discussion, I didn't get it..

Dude where do you see FYROM in there?

[kgram]

Dude where do you see FYROM in there?

he sees FYROM in your letters that he turned bold in his quotation!:D

[TheTruthSometimesHurts]

he sees FYROM in your letters that he turned bold in his quotation!:D

It was meant for Montenegro, but I guess it might be applied to FYROM too.

[Albania]

This could be a good solution for us ?
http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/ethnic_albania.jpg
:P

[Makeveli]

lol :D

Dream on :P

[Albania]

lol :D

Dream on :P

Really ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/KosovoFlagMap.svg/542px-KosovoFlagMap.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Montenegroetno03.png/480px-Montenegroetno03.png
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:z99bej5iv6EUdM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Makedonien_ethnisch_(1892).JPG
http://www.lajmet.com/images/Chameria_100.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Census_2002_Serbia,_ethnic_map_(by_munic ipalities).png/250px-Census_2002_Serbia,_ethnic_map_(by_munic ipalities).png

[Makeveli]

Well Kosovo is a different map then the fist one :P

Anyway in Montenegro there are only a few small places where the Albanians are the majority.

Where offtopic do :P

[erix77]

i don't get it how comes that Serbia let CG become a free state despite it has 1/3 of it's population real serbs and the montenegrins themselves very close related to the serbs and they make all those wars on croats ,massacre the bosnians and finally do not even dream of recognizing an independent Kosovo that has a 90% population that has nothing to do with the slavs. this is a true mistery for me.

[Makeveli]

i don't get it how comes that Serbia let CG become a free state despite it has 1/3 of it's population real serbs and the montenegrins themselves very close related to the serbs and they make all those wars on croats ,massacre the bosnians and finally do not even dream of recognizing an independent Kosovo that has a 90% population that has nothing to do with the slavs. this is a true mistery for me.

Many of the political leaders in Serbia or R.Srpska are from Montenegro like Karadzic.
And many generals are also from Montenegro. So there you have your reason.

[Professor]

In response to the letters of the People's Montenegrin Party of Kosovo and the Montenegrin Democratic Party, President Filip Vujanovic reiterates: there will be no opening of a Montenegrin embassy in Pristina, denouncing the rumors:

http://www.in4s.net/images/stories/crnagora/vujanovic-527.jpg

[erix77]

Many of the political leaders in Serbia or R.Srpska are from Montenegro like Karadzic.
And many generals are also from Montenegro. So there you have your reason.
that should be a reason more to keep both countries together.

[Balozi]

i think this discussion has gone off topic

Montenegro to Abolish Albanian privileged Minority Rights

is the title of the thread and what happened to that story?