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helena nilo
Wed, 20th May 2009, 14:56:20
Darwinius masillae

Background
The best European locality for complete Eocene mammal skeletons is Grube Messel, near Darmstadt, Germany. Although the site was surrounded by a para-tropical rain forest in the Eocene, primates are remarkably rare there, and only eight fragmentary specimens were known until now. Messel has now yielded a full primate skeleton. The specimen has an unusual history: it was privately collected and sold in two parts, with only the lesser part previously known. The second part, which has just come to light, shows the skeleton to be the most complete primate known in the fossil record.

Methodology/Principal Findings
We describe the morphology and investigate the paleobiology of the skeleton. The specimen is described as Darwinius masillae n.gen. n.sp. belonging to the Cercamoniinae. Because the skeleton is lightly crushed and bones cannot be handled individually, imaging studies are of particular importance. Skull radiography shows a host of teeth developing within the juvenile face. Investigation of growth and proportion suggest that the individual was a weaned and independent-feeding female that died in her first year of life, and might have attained a body weight of 650–900 g had she lived to adulthood. She was an agile, nail-bearing, generalized arboreal quadruped living above the floor of the Messel rain forest.

Conclusions/Significance
Darwinius masillae represents the most complete fossil primate ever found, including both skeleton, soft body outline and contents of the digestive tract. Study of all these features allows a fairly complete reconstruction of life history, locomotion, and diet. Any future study of Eocene-Oligocene primates should benefit from information preserved in the Darwinius holotype. Of particular importance to phylogenetic studies, the absence of a toilet claw and a toothcomb demonstrates that Darwinius masillae is not simply a fossil lemur, but part of a larger group of primates, Adapoidea, representative of the early haplorhine diversification.

more in:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0005723

http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1381656&idCanal=13
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/may/19/ida-fossil-jorn-hurum-profile

Alalzia
Wed, 20th May 2009, 15:13:10
Dunno if you are aware but so far they have find 10's of "missing links" , yes this creature shares both ape and human characteristics (finger nails) but from it to the 2.5-3m year old Afarensis there is a gap of several millions years we know nothing about , yet.

helena nilo
Wed, 20th May 2009, 15:27:45
yes, i know, just finger nails and the talus bone :)

more like a "aunt-grandmother", or so.

gap of several millions years we know nothing about , yet.

yet :D

Weinlock
Mon, 25th May 2009, 15:44:48
Dunno if you are aware but so far they have find 10's of "missing links" , yes this creature shares both ape and human characteristics (finger nails) but from it to the 2.5-3m year old Afarensis there is a gap of several millions years we know nothing about , yet.

I am not a biologist, but I really don't understand, why the hell that old lemur has to be a missing link to humans? Link between what and what? This all story is a sort of advertising lie tome, nothing more. Can someone explain me in simple words? The first time I read about it the journalists info was about a missing link between mammals and humans.. :doh: Ida cannot be a missing link between monkeys and humans either, as every contemporary monkey is more such a link.

Actually I oppose every info about any sensational links proven by that fossil.

P.S. Alalzia, it's not a time (2-3 mls of years) that is to be filled by he "missing links". You can have the missing links living today with us. It is anthropomorphic chain to be filled. And we must always be aware the stages are not directly linked to each other but they are always a parallel branches of the evolutionary tree.

Alalzia
Mon, 25th May 2009, 23:01:45
I am not a biologist, but I really don't understand, why the hell that old lemur has to be a missing link to humans? Link between what and what? This all story is a sort of advertising lie tome, nothing more. Can someone explain me in simple words? The first time I read about it the journalists info was about a missing link between mammals and humans.. :doh: Ida cannot be a missing link between monkeys and humans either, as every contemporary monkey is more such a link.

Actually I oppose every info about any sensational links proven by that fossil.

P.S. Alalzia, it's not a time (2-3 mls of years) that is to be filled by he "missing links". You can have the missing links living today with us. It is anthropomorphic chain to be filled. And we must always be aware the stages are not directly linked to each other but they are always a parallel branches of the evolutionary tree.

Your doubts are reasonable , the "missing link" is the very last species before human and ape got separated.
Of course evolved homo sapient and evolved chimpanzee are 97% identical .
The question is what is ape and what is human.
Homo Sapient is human
Homo Neanderthalsis was human
Homo Ergaster was human as well
Homo erectus (and it's sub-species) was human of course
I mean if they lived today they would have human rights, no?
Previous people like Aferensis or Habilis were closer to the apes and shared some of their abilities but in general they were not as smart as our modern cousins

The thing is that Aferensis are our ancestors not chmp's, their evolution followed a different pattern and now scientists are trying to find out when all this started .

Alalzia
Wed, 3rd June 2009, 15:43:53
Millions of years before early humans evolved in Africa, their ancestors may have lived in Europe, a 12-million-year-old fossil hominid from Spain suggests.

The fossil, named Anoiapithecus brevirostris by Salvador Moyą-Solą of the Catalan Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona, Spain, and his colleagues, dates from a period of human evolution for which the record is very thin. While only the animal's face, jaw and teeth survive, their shape places it within the African hominid lineage that gave rise to gorillas, chimps and humans. However, it also has features of a related group called kenyapithecins.

Moyą-Solą says that A. brevirostris and some similar-looking kenyapithecins lived in Europe shortly after the afrohominid and kenyapithecin lineages split, and so that the divergence itself may have happened there. If he is right, our hominid ancestors lived in Europe and only later migrated to Africa, where modern humans evolved.

This "into Africa" scenario is likely to be controversial. Critics argue that discoveries like Moyą-Solą's are more likely to reflect the quality of the fossil records in Africa and Europe than offer clues to the actual origins of hominids.

Jay Kelley, a palaeobiologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago, points out that the fossil record from the time in question is much better in Europe than in Africa. "If you've got a record on one continent but not the other, naturally you're going to see origins of the group from the continent where you've got the record," he says.

source (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17225-were-our-earliest-hominid-ancestors-european.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news) with photos!

Alalzia
Fri, 2nd October 2009, 12:56:13
The oldest-known hominid skeleton was a 4-foot-tall female who walked upright more than 4 million years ago and offers new clues to how humans may have evolved, scientists say.

Scientists believe that the fossilized remains, which were discovered in 1994 in Ethiopia and studied for years by an international team of researchers, support beliefs that humans and chimpanzees evolved separately from a common ancestor.

"This is not an ordinary fossil. It's not a chimp. It's not a human. It shows us what we used to be," said project co-director Tim White, a paleontologist at the University of California, Berkeley.

Ardipithecus ramidus, nicknamed "Ardi," is a hominid species that lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Aramis, Ethiopia. That makes Ardi more than a million years older than the celebrated Lucy, the partial ape-human skeleton found in Africa in 1974.
Ardi's 125-piece skeleton includes the skull, teeth, pelvis, hands and feet bones. Scientists say the data collected from Ardi's bone fragments over the past 17 years push back the story of human evolution further than previously believed.

"In fact, what Ardipithecus tells us is that we as humans have been evolving to what we are today for at least 6 million years," C. Owen Lovejoy, an evolutionary biologist at Kent State University and project anatomist, said Thursday.

more (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/10/01/oldest.human.skeleton/index.html)