Macedonia Wins EU `Candidate' Status

[gjore]

Macedonia Wins EU `Candidate' Status, First Step to Membership

Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The European Union declared Macedonia a ``candidate'' for membership, seeking to bolster economic and political stability in the former Yugoslavia.

``The signal is very important,'' Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot said early today after government heads from the 25- nation EU granted the status at a summit in Brussels. ``It's very encouraging.''

Macedonia, which broke away from Yugoslavia in 1991, is counting on closer EU ties to bolster its $5.4 billion economy. Candidate status is a springboard to starting entry talks in the future and bolsters the prospects for EU aid.

Turkey was a ``candidate'' for almost six years before starting membership talks in October. The EU is also holding entry talks with Croatia and plans to admit Bulgaria and Romania by 2008 following last year's ``big-bang'' expansion to include 10 mainly eastern European nations.

Slow economic growth in western Europe and an upsurge in anti-immigration sentiment have fueled opposition to further EU expansion, throwing doubt over how quickly Macedonia will move toward membership.

``We are rather strict at the moment,'' Bot said. ``We don't want to be as lenient as we used to be.''

[romanos]

What Macedonia. your "F.Y.R.O.M." i guess?
i thought you said you wanted to share...


nonetheless, good news about EU

[gjore]

well, this must have been the worst act of support i have ever heard.
thanks anyway

[airwings]

Bravo to the FYROM:clap:

[romanos]

well, this must have been the worst act of support i have ever heard.
:doh:


(this is were they say: του χαρίζανε γάιδαρο και αυτός τον κοίταγε στα μάτια, αn old phrase translated word by word: they gave him a donkey and he stared it in the eyes. :P )
That is, i couldn't imagine that you would now even complain about an act of support!

anyways, it would be very nice to see this crazy neighbourhood together in EU.

:clap:

hey, we should arrange a party when you become a member -sth which doesn't seem far now- :victory:;)

[Thorn]

Spain supports Macedonia's EU and NATO bids


Spain's Foreign Minster Miguel Angel Moratinos voiced support to the Macedonia's aspirations to join EU and NATO.

In the course of today's talks in Madrid with the Macedonian Foreign Minister Antonio Miloshoski, he expressed hopes that Macedonia will receive invitation for membership in NATO from the 2008 Bucharest Summit, Macedonian State Television reported.

Minister Miloshoski reiterated that the country expected both invitation to join NATO and a date for start of accession negotiations with EU and pointed out at the great importance of the Spain's support.

As regards the differences with Greece on the constitutional name of Macedonia, the Spanish Minister said that official Madrid considers the issue to be of bilateral nature.

Macedonian Foreign Minister Antonio Miloshoski completed today his two-day visit to Spain, during which he met also with the President of the Senate Javier Rojo Garcia.

[Invictus]

Ok english then, It will be very funny. I don't want Macedonia to be a part of JewEU.

[Alalzia]

Ok english then, It will be very funny. I don't want Macedonia to be a part of JewEU.

what is the JewEU ?

[Thorn]

Invictus, everything is "jewish" now...Even our home capital profit, goes either to Rockefeller family or to Rotschild family...they rule the world.

[WisdomSeeker]

Ok english then, It will be very funny. I don't want Macedonia to be a part of JewEU.

and you prefer ''Moscow Pact'' instead?:)

[Kula]

and you prefer ''Moscow Pact'' instead?:)

Yes, everyone knows there are no Jews in Russia. :D

[Invictus]

and you prefer ''Moscow Pact'' instead?:)

No, I like to see Macedonia as Swisse.

[WisdomSeeker]

No, I like to see Macedonia as Swisse.

Hehe,i bet you would,the fact is it will never become one. Be satisfied with what you have got instead.

[Alalzia]

There are 1.4 millions foreigners living in Switzerland (20% of the total), if you count Swiss citizens of foreign ancestry the % will be even higher . Now apply that to FUROM and remove the number of ethnic minorities ...we don't want Makedonskis to disappear they give us great joy in the forums .

[Invictus]

There are 1.4 millions foreigners living in Switzerland (20% of the total), if you count Swiss citizens of foreign ancestry the % will be even higher . Now apply that to FUROM and remove the number of ethnic minorities ...we don't want Makedonskis to disappear they give us great joy in the forums .
Don't worry Macedonians will never disappear.;)

[WisdomSeeker]

Don't worry Macedonians will never disappear.;)

But they will never become swiss though,so you should work for your countrys future within EU.

[Invictus]

But they will never become swiss though,so you should work for your countrys future within EU.
Yes, sad but true.

[maso_forever]

im bac wats going on greek brothers LOL i thought this forum died

[kgram]

Invictus and Thorn seem to have a problem with jews.
Izzie uses the theory of african blood in greeks and mongol blood in bulgars as an indication of inferiority.

I think collaboration of some slav-macedonians with the occupation forces of Nazi in Greece finds an explanation here.

Sorry guys but your ideas are far away from what is EU. And I''m sure now that what you say does not represent your people. Guys like you are all over EU countries (in my country they usually take something between 0-3% in the elections).

Joining EU means :
1. Solving political issues with other members (I think you have an issue with Greece, and you are going to have another one with Albania, if they join first, which is very possible)
2. Accept existing borders (forget Pirin and Aegean)
3. Accept geographic terminology of other member countries, when it concerns their territory (which means that your citizens that fled Greece after 1949, will have on their ID cards and passports bithplaces like Kastoria, Florina,Kilkis, Thessaloniki and not non officially existing places like Kostur, Lerin, Kukuts, Solun etc). This act will give them as well the right to ask for a greek passport, if they want.

But if only these 3 terms are fullfilled, and Albania joins the EU, I think that there is no need for your country to enter EU, because all of you will get a second nationality ( Bulgarian, Albanian or Greek) that will give you the benefits of an EU passport. Then I guess FYROM remanining enclaved but outside EU as a tax-paradise, will be of high benefit for its residents, but also for citizens of surrounding countries! And it will become Swiiss in a way!

[Balozi]

But if only these 3 terms are fullfilled, and Albania joins the EU, I think that there is no need for your country to enter EU, because all of you will get a second nationality ( Bulgarian, Albanian or Greek) that will give you the benefits of an EU passport. Then I guess FYROM remanining enclaved but outside EU as a tax-paradise, will be of high benefit for its residents, but also for citizens of surrounding countries! And it will become Swiiss in a way!
hey! this is very well thought... i had never thought of it that way :O. bravo!

[WisdomSeeker]

Have you asked them whether they do want a second nationality?:P

The issue about ''african blood'' is only to mock the greek members. I strongly doubt anyone can believe such an absurd thing,unless he has embodded so much from propaganda that he is not capable of thinking rationally.

[WisdomSeeker]

Macedonia's EU Talks 'Not in 2008'


Brussels _ Macedonia should not count on beginning European Union accession talks during the course of this year, the EU's Enlargement Commissioner suggested Tuesday.

OOPS!! EU dream is over for this year,see you next year folks.:P


Rehn also met Macedonian President Branko Crvenkovski, who said he hopes his country will get the date for the start of accession talks "by the end of 2008.

Rehn slaps Crvenkovski on the face:D


"Good neighbourly relations are important and I trust a solution can be found," he said however emphasising that he was unsure whether Greece would use the unresolved dispute to veto Macedonia's bid to join NATO.

Just wait,and all your doubts will be answered mr FYROM president;)

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/8182/

EU is off ,NATO is next, i admire your stoicism. You see the boogey man coming and you cant do anything about it;)

[Balozi]

this situation is getting stupid. if you greeks are going to let them have "democratic republic of macedonia" then you might as well had let them have just "republic of macedonia" and the DEROMIANS (democratic republic of macedonia) are twice as dumb for not accepting it

[Alalzia]

The situation is stupid since the beginning of all this .

Veto them everywhere , keep the borders sealed , make Bulgarian oil smugglers rich.

[Balozi]

you forgot "get your share" :D

[Alalzia]

you forgot "get your share" :D

(in case i understood what you meant)
Man , nationalism & territorial claims are bad for all.
Let me explain , right now we have a good per capita income , peace, security and everything.
We can turn FYROM into a beach and annex them in less than 2 hours , but tell me who the hell wants more poor people? they will come here, sleep in the streets , steal , stink etc .
The least we want is images of 3rd world in our cities , they say there are 150.000 Greeks living there, they better stay were they are, like the 1m Greeks in Russia , we don't want them we don't need them.
My city needs money but most founds go to "poor areas" like Hpeiros and Thrace , actually we are screwed by the poor and their areas , was my fault that they stayed poor ? of course not but still I PAY.
You will only live for like 100 years , nations live for ever , quality of your life should be 1st priority , a peaceful country that respects international law and doesn't go *****ing against others can guarantee that quality a country that goes in the other path can not.

I hope you understand my point.

[Balozi]

actually i meant get your share from the oil smuggling profits but yes i understand your point :P

[kassandros]

(in case i understood what you meant)
Man , nationalism & territorial claims are bad for all.
Let me explain , right now we have a good per capita income , peace, security and everything.
We can turn FYROM into a beach and annex them in less than 2 hours , but tell me who the hell wants more poor people? they will come here, sleep in the streets , steal , stink etc .
The least we want is images of 3rd world in our cities , they say there are 150.000 Greeks living there, they better stay were they are, like the 1m Greeks in Russia , we don't want them we don't need them.
My city needs money but most founds go to "poor areas" like Hpeiros and Thrace , actually we are screwed by the poor and their areas , was my fault that they stayed poor ? of course not but still I PAY.
You will only live for like 100 years , nations live for ever , quality of your life should be 1st priority , a peaceful country that respects international law and doesn't go *****ing against others can guarantee that quality a country that goes in the other path can not.

I hope you understand my point.


But I don't. I am from Thrace, and yes,the area needs more funds , and I pay the taxes too...and I didn't say anything when millions of euros went to Athens for the olympics, and in other areas.

[Alalzia]

But I don't. I am from Thrace, and yes,the area needs more funds , and I pay the taxes too...and I didn't say anything when millions of euros went to Athens for the olympics, and in other areas.

Athens Olympics was a stupidity of Olympic proportions.
Thrace has like 80% the income of Athens , my scenario was about annexing lands with 10% of our income.
I am sure that you see the difference.

[kgram]

Hey Kassandros, I'm from Thrace too, Alexandroupolis !

[Darien]

hey! this is very well thought... i had never thought of it that way :O. bravo!

interesting thought.....now this calls for a III and an O
:whacky018

[WisdomSeeker]

this situation is getting stupid. if you greeks are going to let them have "democratic republic of macedonia" then you might as well had let them have just "republic of macedonia" and the DEROMIANS (democratic republic of macedonia) are twice as dumb for not accepting it


Any prefix that describes a political regime of their state (democratic,socialist,laic,peoples republic) is no deal for Greece as greek prime minister has already said Balozi.

Greece is only ngotiating a geographical term (North,Upper etc) or a slavic transliteration of the name. (NovaMacedonija GornaMacedonija etc).
Funny think is that even though they speak a slavic language they have rejected those options.

[Izzie]

We rejected that,we will reject everything stupid that Nemitz throws.And Greece is just bluffing with the veto,it doesn't have the guts

[Balozi]

new macedonia would be the most appropriate, i think

by the way dont count so much on greece not having the guts cause it's a good chance for them to show off a bit and say "we're here!"

it's a chance to gain a bit on the fact that no one seems to be taking them seriously anymore. so yea i think they will use the veto

another option that i read about recently was the possibility of macedonia entering nato as an invited country (or something like that) and the two countries will have 1 year on their disposal to settle things up. i dont know what happens in the case that it's not settled after the 1 year though

[Izzie]

Yeah,I heard about that too,and I think it's only a delay of Macedonian entry in NATO

btw New Macedonia is NOT a solution (it suits the Greeks,but not the Macedonians)

[Alalzia]

West Bulgaria & Southern Serbia are the only acceptable names.

[WisdomSeeker]

new macedonia would be the most appropriate, i think

by the way dont count so much on greece not having the guts cause it's a good chance for them to show off a bit and say "we're here!"

it's a chance to gain a bit on the fact that no one seems to be taking them seriously anymore. so yea i think they will use the veto

another option that i read about recently was the possibility of macedonia entering nato as an invited country (or something like that) and the two countries will have 1 year on their disposal to settle things up. i dont know what happens in the case that it's not settled after the 1 year though

no chance,its either a solution on the name or no NATO entry.

[Darien]

West Bulgaria & Southern Serbia are the only acceptable names.

hehehe ..:D

[Balozi]

how about "albania's little neighbour" :D

[kgram]

USA would love a name like Republic of Mac-e-Donald. And the flag red with a big yellow M.
And they can talk aabout Big-Mac without distturbing their neighbours.:D

[Balozi]

mac-e-donald rofl

[Izzie]

I can see how wise you are.Great.

[kgram]

Whats the problem Izzie. Coca cola and Mc Donalds rule USA, so you will rule them instead being ruled by them !

[aRMakedon]

West Bulgaria & Southern Serbia are the only acceptable names.

got erection when wrote this? O.o

west bulgaria or souther serbia can be used if Bulgaria & Serbia open the question about the area of Pirot, Dimitrovgrad, Bosilegrad.

The teritory Serbs bought with gold from the Bulgars;)

Our country has it´s name, you have to learn to live with it, or comite suicide, for people insulting my country i dont mind if they choose the second :D

We have no intentions to change our constitutional name to get in EU and / or Nato.

That is the reality in Republic of Macedonia :victory:

[Александар Маке]

no chance,its either a solution on the name or no NATO entry.Than it's no NATO entry.Who gives a f### abouth NATO if we have to change the name R.Macedonia.;)

[Izzie]

Greeks are pushing it too much (with the name dispute).They don't agree with our constitutional name,neither with Democratic,Independent or Constitutional Republic of Macedonia.They want a geographic term.Yeah,right.They'll get it ;)

[airwings]

Greeks are pushing it too much (with the name dispute).
You didnt see nothing yet!!!:)

[Izzie]

You didnt see nothing yet!!!:)
oh believe me,we saw enough BS from you

[aRMakedon]

You didnt see nothing yet!!!:)

lol

i ask myself why you have so much hatered towards the Macedonians & all what comes from (Republic of) Macedonia?

your roots are Macedonian, so have to proove how big Greek you are? or you are from the pontian Turks, pardon, "greeks"?

be what u want dude... its a free world ;)

now, about your bs on this forum, & your covered threats...

WHAT YOU WILL DO? :whistling

You will send troops? you will make pact with Bulgaria & Albania & Serbia to split us?

hehe, i do not think you can afford new Palestine on the Balkans, & we proved we can kill kings & throndescents, if they make too much bs :D

also, by occupying our country, you will remove the only problem to get in the heart of any of your states (Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania) & blow your ass away like Solunskite Atentatori did it, on scale you can not imagine.

beside that, i suspect you have any military or analitical knowledge, if you had some, you would be aware you are not in position to make any threats ;)

so like i wrote, accept we are there, we call ourself Macedonians, most of the World call us Macedonians, the country is named Republic of Macedonia & let the scolars spend their time about the History dispute...

Learn to live with that, or make suicide, your choice :victory:

[Izzie]

You didnt see nothing yet!!!:)
I forgot to say I'm scared to shit about "what's coming now"

[WisdomSeeker]

Than it's no NATO entry.Who gives a f### abouth NATO if we have to change the name R.Macedonia.;)

I guess the Bucarest NATO summit is only a few days away,so we must wait and see whether there will be some change over the name.

BTW,i would suggest that you relax. All of you.

aRMakedon,i believe you are older than your fellow country's posters around here,give the good example of keeping the discussion into acceptable levels.

The Christian Turks argument make your position over ''human rights and self determination'' to be highly hypocritical. Unless the self determination right applies only to your people and not to the greeks,i suppose?

That was an unfortunate statement.

[Александар Маке]

You didnt see nothing yet!!!:)
Oh my God.They'll use the nukes on us.60 years ago they drop napalm(with help of the British and French) on the macedonian vilages in A.Macedonia.What should we do my brothers Macedonians???

[aRMakedon]

I guess the Bucarest NATO summit is only a few days away,so we must wait and see whether there will be some change over the name.

BTW,i would suggest that you relax. All of you.

aRMakedon,i believe you are older than your fellow country's posters around here,give the good example of keeping the discussion into acceptable levels.

The Christian Turks argument make your position over ''human rights and self determination'' to be highly hypocritical. Unless the self determination right applies only to your people and not to the greeks,i suppose?

That was an unfortunate statement.

i do not want to hurt anyones feelings, i am realy sorry if you missuderstood it. it was exactly that, my point, if the pontian greeks can feel & declare themself as a greeks after being under turkish occupation as long as we were, why others should not be forbiden to have the SAME RIGHTS OF SELF-DETERMINATION.

i appologise myself if someone was hurt from my statement, but pls make sure same rules are in play for everyone.


i read so many provocations & insults from the user airwing, i think he has to be warned to control his temper :)

also to my countryman Macedonians, do not argue, argue will not bring us anywhere, it never had, it never will.

We know our position, they know their, as soon we learn to live as neighbours, better for us, our children, all next generations...

greetings to all

[WisdomSeeker]

I am greek as well,and i have been pushed quite a few times by extreme positions coming out of your connationals in the past.We are hot heads,stubborn balkanians after all. All of us. I always tried to be as objective as possible though,regarding discipling and warning both greeks and non greeks when it was needed.

I assure you that your arguments will be heard as long as you place them in a rational way,so that the debate/discussion be maintained in logical levels,as for the rules of the game,be certain that they are the same for all.

airwings has been warned in the past,he will be warned again if he steps beyond any red lines. Dont doubt i will not hesitate not one moment to do the same for any other who acts the same way.

Moderators,even if greeks or non greeks are here to keep the forum clean above all. Believe me.


Welcome to the forum again and enjoy your stay here.

[Xenophon Albanoi]

mac-e-donald rofl

I like more MacDonalds , I read it on Greek forums !:P

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Greece gone help Albania and gone give another veto to Fyrom Auto-Proclaimed Macedonia !
:D

[kgram]

Oh my God.They'll use the nukes on us.60 years ago they drop napalm(with help of the British and French) on the macedonian vilages in A.Macedonia.What should we do my brothers Macedonians???

Actually Napalm bombs were used for the first time in history during the greek civil war 1946-1949. The were dropped from american bombers to areas and villages that were controlled from the communists. Greece at that time had not developped yet air force, and americans could not trust to deliver to foreigners a new revolutionary weapon.

It was thanks to the american huge military support that the civil war in Greece ended with victory of the nationalist forces, (and Greece remained in the west side of the world), and it was a result of this war that slavomacedonians who were on the communist side, toghether with tens of thousands of greek communists fled after the defeat and found refugee at the newly formed communist states.

[Izzie]

Actually Napalm bombs were used for the first time in history during the greek civil war 1946-1949. The were dropped from american bombers to areas and villages that were controlled from the communists. Greece at that time had not developped yet air force, and americans could not trust to deliver to foreigners a new revolutionary weapon.

It was thanks to the american huge military support that the civil war in Greece ended with victory of the nationalist forces, (and Greece remained in the west side of the world), and it was a result of this war that slavomacedonians who were on the communist side, toghether with tens of thousands of greek communists fled after the defeat and found refugee at the newly formed communist states.
..."proud to be a fascist" eh...

[kgram]

..."proud to be a fascist" eh...

The world is not devided between fachsists and communists , you know. This is the stalinistic point of view!

[WisdomSeeker]

I HATE grave digging old threads,but this one goes here:

Rehn says EC opposes referendum on Macedonia's name

23/10/2009BRUSSELS, Belgium -- The European Commission (EC) does not support holding a referendum on Macedonia's name, EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said on Thursday (October 22nd). He was attending a discussion on EU enlargement in Brussels alongside Macedonian Deputy Prime Minister Vasko Naumovski. Rehn warned that holding a referendum on complex issues related to EU enlargement is a "Pandora's box".Meanwhile, the EU representative to Skopje, Erwan Fouere, and Swedish Ambassador Lars Freden on Thursday urged Macedonia to ramp up talks with Greece on the long-standing name dispute, ahead of the next Council of the EU in December. That is when a decision on starting membership talks with Skopje is expected. (A1, Sitel, MIA, Makfax - 22/10/09)


Ooops! Things are not going well for Makedonskis. 45 days left for their EU membership discussion.Let the flames online between FYROM guys and Greeks take up once again!:whistling

PS: I hate linking to SET that news agency is the most CIA dependant in all Europe.

[WisdomSeeker]

Alfa: EU gives Macedonia time term as of December 7to resolve name dispute



22 October 2009 | 20:16 | FOCUS News Agency



Skopje. The European Union has given Macedonia time term as of December 7to resolve name dispute to get data to the start of EU accession talks, Macedonian Alfa television informed. This was confirmed by the head of EU Mission in Macedonia Ervan Fuere at the meeting of the National European Integration Council on Thursday.

“Six weeks and a day are left to the meeting of the Council of the European Union on December 7. This is period, which gives big opportunity that will not be given for a long time,” Swedish Ambassador to Macedonia Lars Peter Freden said.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n198023


Clock is ticking ....

[Professor]

Alfa: EU gives Macedonia time term as of December 7to resolve name dispute



22 October 2009 | 20:16 | FOCUS News Agency



Skopje. The European Union has given Macedonia time term as of December 7to resolve name dispute to get data to the start of EU accession talks, Macedonian Alfa television informed. This was confirmed by the head of EU Mission in Macedonia Ervan Fuere at the meeting of the National European Integration Council on Thursday.

“Six weeks and a day are left to the meeting of the Council of the European Union on December 7. This is period, which gives big opportunity that will not be given for a long time,” Swedish Ambassador to Macedonia Lars Peter Freden said.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n198023


Clock is ticking ....

This is similar to what the EU had presented to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The EU had noted that it will not accept any quasi-state or protectorate into it, giving a deadline to Bosnia and Herzegovina to abolish the institution of the OHR by the end of the year. It has also damaged the reputation of EU in BH, presenting it as pro-Serbian.

[WisdomSeeker]

I think there is a difference,in BiH's case the hindrances are mostly internal,while in FYROM's one there is the thorny issue. Not only against Greece,i am sure Bulgaria has some objections and will state its stance as well.

If i were any politician in that country i would seriously work for development,investments and econo-social amendments (unemployment sky rockets up to 30-35%,medium monthly wage of 200 euros),instead of wasting valuable money on state funding propaganda by promoting weird theories and historical revisionism.

But i am not,so let them suffer even more. As long as they dont ask for greek passports and dont come as unemployed illegal immigrants to beg for work,i am ok with their wishfull thinking of '' scr*w EU,we dont need that big racist club'' their all wealthy diaspora in Australia/Canada promotes.

Actually,the atmosphere reminds me of the pre Bucarest summit period. Deja' vu? Probably. Only difference i dont see them in online fora bursting with confidence,i guess they do know what it is coming.Compromise or the big ''V'' boogie man word.Their choice.

[Professor]

You think FYROM has got no internal problems?

[kgram]

The feeling I get from the greek media, is that Greece has no real objection if :
1. The final name of FYROM will be North Macedonia (geographic determination clarifying that this country is not the whole of historical Macedonia), or even New Macedonia (a clear distinction from ancient Macedonia and its history).
2. The slavic population of FYROM are called Slavic Macedonians or Slavomacedonians - unless they chose to call themselves East-bulgarians or South-serbians or Yogoslavs (That means Southslavs, since they are really the southern slavs, and the southern from the old Yugoslavs).
3.Their language is called Slavic Macedonian, or Slavomacedonian, or East-bulgarian, or Yugoslavian.

My belief is that anyone of their neighbours, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, consider this greek point of view rational, logical and according to the historical, linguistic and political facts of the area.

I also believe that since, because of the glorious history of ancient macedonians and Alexander, and their own historical myths, both Albanians, modern Greeks and Bulgarians believe that the ancient Macedonians were one way or another related to their ancient anchestors Illyrians, Ancient Greeks and Thracians, none of them is willing to accept that a small new-born slavic nation that appeared officially after 1944, and according to its claims around 1870, are the descendants of the ancient Macedonians.

If I'm wrong, any Albanian, Serb or Bulgarian member of the forum is wellcome to correct me.

[WisdomSeeker]

You think FYROM has got no internal problems?

Plenty. More than any other balkan country,probably. But it is not the case to discuss about that.

[Balozi]

kgram i agree with you that those demands are rational. however i dont think, at least for us albanians, that we care about who is going to appear more related to ancient macedonians

i really cant understand why they dont accept "new macedonia". places with "new" are generally well known in the world: new york, new england, new delhi, new zealand... etc etc. maybe new macedonia can join the group

[Professor]

The feeling I get from the greek media, is that Greece has no real objection if :
1. The final name of FYROM will be North Macedonia (geographic determination clarifying that this country is not the whole of historical Macedonia), or even New Macedonia (a clear distinction from ancient Macedonia and its history).
2. The slavic population of FYROM are called Slavic Macedonians or Slavomacedonians - unless they chose to call themselves East-bulgarians or South-serbians or Yogoslavs (That means Southslavs, since they are really the southern slavs, and the southern from the old Yugoslavs).
3.Their language is called Slavic Macedonian, or Slavomacedonian, or East-bulgarian, or Yugoslavian.

My belief is that anyone of their neighbours, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, consider this greek point of view rational, logical and according to the historical, linguistic and political facts of the area.

I also believe that since, because of the glorious history of ancient macedonians and Alexander, and their own historical myths, both Albanians, modern Greeks and Bulgarians believe that the ancient Macedonians were one way or another related to their ancient anchestors Illyrians, Ancient Greeks and Thracians, none of them is willing to accept that a small new-born slavic nation that appeared officially after 1944, and according to its claims around 1870, are the descendants of the ancient Macedonians.

If I'm wrong, any Albanian, Serb or Bulgarian member of the forum is wellcome to correct me.

In Montenegro it is viewed as chauvinist paranoia...

[Alalzia]

Carpet bomb + annex is much easier and it will only take a couple of hours .

[WisdomSeeker]

Carpet bomb + annex is much easier and it will only take a couple of hours .

Really? Have u asked the people from Thessaloniki if they want over 1,5 million refugees there?:P

[Alalzia]

Really? Have u asked the people from Thessaloniki if they want over 1,5 million refugees there?:P

Carpet bomb will not leave anyone alive , the area can be used as a landfill .

[Balozi]

really! and im sure greece has such weapons at its disposal :P

[WisdomSeeker]

Actually we do have,but wishing the death of thousands of people is not politically correct.

[Balozi]

you have a weapon that can kill everyone in fyrom? sorry but i find that hard to believe

[WisdomSeeker]

you have a weapon that can kill everyone in fyrom? sorry but i find that hard to believe

Open your mind. Even if Greece has stored NATO nuclear warheads in Aktion military base in the past whose activation codes were under the SouthEastern Wing of NATO command when its headquarters were based in Larisa (greek officials),i am not talking about those. Not only nuclear weapons can level an entire country,conventional warheads can too,in high numbers.And there are amazingly destructive conventional mass destruction weapons out there,i assure you.

PS: I can not understand why the discussion went there anyway:?

[Gnous]

In Montenegro it is viewed as chauvinist paranoia...

Chauvinist paranoia..?
Does this come from a Serb...or am i wrong ? :D

[Balozi]

PS: I can not understand why the discussion went there anyway
i blame alalzia

[Professor]

Chauvinist paranoia..?
Does this come from a Serb...or am i wrong ? :D

That depends.

[WisdomSeeker]

i blame alalzia

A leftist close to marxism war mongering? Now that is something new! Usually right/ultra right nationalists have these kind of ideas...:D