The Connection between Serbs and Montenegrians

[Serbian Royalist]

Here we may discuss the historical and modern day relationship of Serbia and Montenegro.

I for one was not saddened when Montenegro left....I was tired of the Name, Anthem, Flag, COA etc...

But now I am thinking wait, majority of these people see them selves as Serbs and indeed Montenegro was founded by a Serb way back in the day. Even the knez well...self proclaimed king of Montenegro Nicola 1 had the ambition to reestablish the Serbian empire and saw himself as the modern day Czar Dusan and the rightful heir to the Serbian throne.

As we know Montenegro left the union with a referendum just barely passing the required # of votes, The referendum has faced criticisms not from Serbs authorities but from outside authorities as well.....For instance Montenegrians residing in Serbia were not allowed the vote (Which was legally allowed by Yugoslav law) which expert say would have kept the union in place.

I firmly believe that it is possible for Montenegro to region Serbia in the future....at their own will of coarse :D Montenegro has a incredibly close relationship to Serbia, officially Montenegro does not have its own church...not a officially recognized one by main Orthodox nations anyway (Greece,Russia,Serbia,Romania,Bulgaria) there language is completely Serbian, they also tend to use Serbian symbols often such as the Serbian (4 C's)








as well as their former flag

please feel free to add your view to this. :)

[spazio]

I'm not too sure about the origins, as people seem to have different opinions about whether Serbs and Montenegrins share the same origins or not. But, as far as the language is concerned, I noticed that Ekavian is not used in Montenegro, they seem to be using what seems to me a mixture of Ijekavian with Serbian grammar; ex: idem da radim (Serbian construction) kada vrijeme (ijekavian) je dobro). Of course this doesn't mean that Montenegrin is a different language, maybe a different variant of the same language, like Croatian or Bosnian.
A Montenegrin told me that he didn't want to be part of Serbia, because all the money seemed to be going to Belgrade and Podgorica was left with crumbs. According to him Serbia was behaving with Montenegro like a despot and Montenegro needed to become independent in order to develop freely. It's not up to me to judge if this is a fact, but it shows a certain uneasiness which is important to respect. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to accept a region with a common language (or at least similar), but different cultures like for example the United Kingdom. English and Scottish speak a common language ( or at least similar hehe), but they are quite different peoples.
As an outsider (with all my limits of course!), I don't see why Montenegro can't stay independant and at the same maintain a strong bond with Serbia.

[Balozi]

i think it's more possible for montenegro to join albania than serbia... talking about flags, let's have a look at their new flag...



:roll: aha! :P

[Alalzia]

That golden lion in the blue/green shield was the flag of Venetian Republic as far as i know....Cattaro is in Montenegro?

[HairyandHorny]

Originally Posted by Balozi

i think it's more possible for montenegro to join albania than serbia... talking about flags, let's have a look at their new flag...



:roll: aha! :P

the flag is reddish with a doubleheaded eagle in the middle so what?
..very common in the balkans and even used in russia if i m not mistaken

...looks like the war flag of the eastern roman empire...which had taken after the original roman banners (red color and the eagle head...the second eagle head showed up when theocracy was established to represent the two powers, the emperor and church)

....the yellow east roman flag is also used by the greek orthodox church and the greek military

[Balozi]

oh nevermind it was a stupid joke :badday:

[Serbian Royalist]

Well first of all I am glad you are all participating in this thread :)

A Montenegrin told me that he didn't want to be part of Serbia, because all the money seemed to be going to Belgrade and Podgorica was left with crumbs. According to him Serbia was behaving with Montenegro like a despot and Montenegro needed to become independent in order to develop freely.

Actually thats not true, Montenegro had its own separate economy so that cant be a factor, I think what your friends might have meant is that with out Serbia they "Might" progress faster with out the war criminals burden and Kosovo issue. If thats his view then great I can't judge who am I to judge him. As for the language there is not difference Montenegrin people say they speak Serbian only retarded ones say they don't and think their something special....ppfftt really :roll:


Actually Spazio many nations do not have their own native tongue Austria for example HAHA I guess Germany and Austria are a good example of Serbia and Montenegro...or Romania and Moldova HAHA:D anyways Ukrainians speak Russian, the US,CAN,Australia, new Zealand etc all speak English But I understand your point that nations that share a foreign language can still have a different culture. and well said I must admit :)


And indeed you are right that Venice did at one point rein over modern day Montenegro.....well coast line anyway :D .....or maybe there are lions in Montenegro that we have not discovered HAHAHA :D

But as for Montenegro rejoining Serbia some time in the future I o/c am not advocating it (Would I like to see it happen?...sure I guess) But Montenegro has always done this as I said most Montenegrins consider them selves Serbs, the referendum just barley past in Montenegro alone never mind allowing Monte's in Serbia to vote.. But I think it is very possible to one day in the future region. If Serbia joins EU and NATO sooner then Monte then I can say thats a big step towards that.

...You wanna know whats ironic? Montenegro left primarily to speed faster to the EU.....little did they know its not as easy as it seems...:roll: I dunno about a month or 2 ago they along with Serbia agreed to work "Together" on EU integration....:roll:

[spazio]

Well, SR, my Montenegrin friend wasn't in favour of Montenegro's independence only because of what you mentioned (Kosovo issue etc), according to him Montenegro and Serbia do not share the same cultural heritage. He seems to think that Serbia was under the Turkish empire for hundreds of years, whilst the Turks (according to him) didn't manage to conquer Montenegro. Don't get upset now:surrender hehe, I wrote in my previous post that the opinions around Serbian and Montenegrin origins are different. My point is that the perception on belonging or not to a particular people is subjective and needs to be respected.
Of course all nations' decisions are dictated by their own interests (not always their people's though...), and it's only normal that also Montenegro's policy follows this trend and hence decided to separate from Serbia because it considered it as an incovenient "marriage". I don't know enough Montenegrins and I've never been to Montenegro (yet hehe!!), so I can't really understand what Montenegrins think about this issue, but from what I've been told, not all Montenegrins feel Serbs and that is a fact.
As for the language, well, I won't make any other comment, because I think there was another thread about this.....
Who knows what is best for both Montenegro and Serbia, but my opinion is that Serbia is better off without Montenegro, IF Montenegrins are not happy in that union. The unity of a nation is very important to its success, so it's better to be smaller and united, rather than bigger but divided. Of course, it's just my humble opinion:trampolin